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      Do any pros use slower blades?

      Do most attacking style pros use OFF and OFF+ rated blades? Just wondering if there are many attacking style pros using ALL or ALL+ blades in order to play a more controlled game?

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      None come to mind really, most use OFF and OFF+ carbon blades...
      I remember seeing the other day that Heming Hu used Korbel (5ply) which I guess is an OFF-, something I haven't seen in a while. Honestly it's even difficult to think of more than a few allwood users.
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      Aren’t quite a few french pros using relatively moderate all-wood blades - Gauzy, Lebesson, Mattenet? And what about Samsonov?

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      You can get slow Wood blade but weight will be about 100 grams
      So This is not slow blade

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      Interesting that most pros use OFF and OFF+ blades. My take away is that once you get to a certain level you need the speed.

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      It depends about the player's style, Hou Yingchao won the last cnt tournament and he's a defender so the blade shouldn't be off+, I think the most important thing that should provide the blade is the control, if you want more speed, use a tensioned rubber, or a boosted Chinese rubber. Because it doesn't matter how fast the ball goes if it doesn't land on the opponent's side it doesn't worth.

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      Quote Originally Posted by yoass View Post
      Aren’t quite a few french pros using relatively moderate all-wood blades - Gauzy, Lebesson, Mattenet? And what about Samsonov?
      Samsonov has decided for the new Fortino Pro recently, before that CCA Unlimited (for some reason not "his own" VS Unlimited) and Force Pro Black Edition (all wood, but not slow).

      Gauzy apparently uses the andro Gauzy SL already, all wood, but not slow.

      Lebesson won the European Championships with a Lebesson blade and relatively soft rubbers. For a professional player, probably one of the slowest combinations you would find, but the Lebesson blade is still an offensive blade.

      So, as for the offensive players on the circuit, I guess the above answers are correct. Predominantly carbon combinations, and if all wood, then a fast one like Clipper or the many variants built to its specs.

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      It is worth looking at this thread:

      https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/for...hips+equipment

      It was from 2016. But there is a decent amount of all wood blades in there.

      Korbel
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      Kong Linghui blade
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      All of those I listed are all wood blades. The one that seems to appear the most is the Korbel. But I think that means there were a bunch of players in 2016 who were using all wood. Clearly a majority use an ALC blade. Not too many were using ZLC.

      But, in my opinion, ALC blades are decently controllable if you are at a certain level. The Arylate in the ALC weave gives decent dwell time and lots of spin. They just are harder to learn on for mid and lower level players because they still mask ball feel and make bad contact feel better than it should. At a higher level, you will know when your contact is a bit off even if you are using an ALC blade.
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      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post

      All of those I listed are all wood blades.
      None of them an All or All+ in the sense of the original question.

      Rosewood, Clipper, SK7 are surely fast enough for those who like it, not all carbon blades are necessarily faster.

      I like the description of the ALC and what makes it so popular :-)

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      I think only choppers in pro level use the all+ level blades mostly.

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      butterfly japan doesn't have any blade slower than korbel.
      just the primorac, the same blade but 0.2cm thinner.

      the rest are either defensive blades or entry level blades like xstar.

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      I always felt that ALC blades and it's ilk play very similarly to the old Stiga/banda/ type all+ blades, but with much more leeway for control in tight situations. Plus they have that extra oomph when needed. Most players found it an easy transition to switch to these blades.
      The Korbel is a little different. It is a fast hardish blade that I can't think of a composite blade that matches. Many stick with it for that reason, presumably.

      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      It is worth looking at this thread:

      https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/for...hips+equipment

      It was from 2016. But there is a decent amount of all wood blades in there.

      Korbel
      Korbel SK7
      Kong Linghui blade
      Rosewood V
      Rosewood VII
      Yasaka Extra Special
      Hurricane King
      Hadraw SR

      All of those I listed are all wood blades. The one that seems to appear the most is the Korbel. But I think that means there were a bunch of players in 2016 who were using all wood. Clearly a majority use an ALC blade. Not too many were using ZLC.

      But, in my opinion, ALC blades are decently controllable if you are at a certain level. The Arylate in the ALC weave gives decent dwell time and lots of spin. They just are harder to learn on for mid and lower level players because they still mask ball feel and make bad contact feel better than it should. At a higher level, you will know when your contact is a bit off even if you are using an ALC blade.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Airoc View Post
      None of them an All or All+ in the sense of the original question.

      Rosewood, Clipper, SK7 are surely fast enough for those who like it, not all carbon blades are necessarily faster.

      I like the description of the ALC and what makes it so popular :-)
      Yeah. Not All or All+. I can't think any offensive players using an All or All+ blade. But there are players using blades that are not super fast and using all wood.

      As to what Tinykin said about the Korbel, I am not sure but the Korbels I have used felt not very hard and had big feeling.

      From the standpoint of composition, they are very similar to the original Innerforce blades. And the Korbel feels a decent amount like an old Innerforce ZLF to me. Not the same. But sort of similar.

      And as to what Olzetezkarzo said, a Primorac also has a 150x157mm head compared to the Korbel with a 152x158mm head size. So thicker and a larger head does make it feel a little different. But yes, it is the same ply construction.

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      I believe Ma Long also used some 5-ply all wood setups in his early days.



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