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      Xu Xin - The Greatest Doubles Player Ever

      I know people love debating who's the best, Ma Long vs. Waldner, etc, but is there any debate as to if Xu Xin is the greatest doubles AND mixed doubles player of all time. No matter who the teammate is, he seems to win. I'm not sure it's just his game of offense, defense, long arms, power loops, etc, but his ability to be a good teammate that must make him another leve.

      His doubles and mixed doubles are too long to list, but rather can link here.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Xin_(table_tennis)

      Please don't tell me about the 38/40/40+ ball or the new scoring system or something like that, seriously, he is the greatest doubles player ever.

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      Doubles

      • World Championships: winner (2011, 15, 17); runner-up (2009).
      • World Tour winner (×28): Slovenian Open 2009, Danish Open 2009, Qatar Open 2009, China Open 2010, English Open 2011, Qatar Open 2011, Qatar Open 2012, Russian Open 2012, Korea Open 2012, China Open 2012, Kuwait Open 2013, China Open 2013, Swedish Open 2013, Japan Open 2015, China Open 2015, Swedish Open 2015, Kuwait Open 2016, Japan (Tokyo) Open 2016, Korea Open 2016, Japan Open 2017, Swedish Open 2017, German Open 2018, Bulgaria Open 2018, Hungarian Open 2019, Japan Open 2019, Korea Open 2019, Swedish Open 2019; German Open 2019.
        Runner-up (×10): China (Suzhou) Open 2009; Qatar Open 2010, Kuwait Open 2010; UAE Open 2011; Hungarian Open 2012, Slovenian Open 2012; Swedish Open 2014, China Open 2014; Kuwait Open 2015; China Open 2016.
      • Asian Games: runner-up (2010, 14).
      • Asian Championships: winner (2009, 15), runner-up (2013, 2019).

      Mixed doubles

      • World Championships: winner (2015, 2019), QF (2009).
      • World Tour winner (x6): Austrian Open 2018, Hungarian Open 2019, Qatar Open 2019, Japan Open 2019, Swedish Open 2019; German Open 2019.
        Runner-up (×1): Korea Open 2019
      • Asian Games: winner (2010).
      • Asian Championships: winner (2012, 2019), SF (2009).

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      I don't think anyone disputes this. XX's strength in doubles is underpinned by his strong FH and his wide reach enabled by his footwork.

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      Also being a lefty??

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      Doubles

      • World Championships: winner (2011, 15, 17); runner-up (2009).
      • World Tour winner (×28): Slovenian Open 2009, Danish Open 2009, Qatar Open 2009, China Open 2010, English Open 2011, Qatar Open 2011, Qatar Open 2012, Russian Open 2012, Korea Open 2012, China Open 2012, Kuwait Open 2013, China Open 2013, Swedish Open 2013, Japan Open 2015, China Open 2015, Swedish Open 2015, Kuwait Open 2016, Japan (Tokyo) Open 2016, Korea Open 2016, Japan Open 2017, Swedish Open 2017, German Open 2018, Bulgaria Open 2018, Hungarian Open 2019, Japan Open 2019, Korea Open 2019, Swedish Open 2019; German Open 2019.
        Runner-up (×10): China (Suzhou) Open 2009; Qatar Open 2010, Kuwait Open 2010; UAE Open 2011; Hungarian Open 2012, Slovenian Open 2012; Swedish Open 2014, China Open 2014; Kuwait Open 2015; China Open 2016.
      • Asian Games: runner-up (2010, 14).
      • Asian Championships: winner (2009, 15), runner-up (2013, 2019).

      Mixed doubles

      • World Championships: winner (2015, 2019), QF (2009).
      • World Tour winner (x6): Austrian Open 2018, Hungarian Open 2019, Qatar Open 2019, Japan Open 2019, Swedish Open 2019; German Open 2019.
        Runner-up (×1): Korea Open 2019
      • Asian Games: winner (2010).
      • Asian Championships: winner (2012, 2019), SF (2009).
      Ever heard of Ma Lin? Check out his doubles record
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      We should compare them equally on the number of years they have played.

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      I did see Ma Lin's doubles performance, and he would be my #2.

      Xu Xin has more big titles, small titles, more diversity of partners (both in MD and XD), so it's hard to argue on any factual basis for Ma Lin. And, as Yogi Bear said below, he is still going, I think has at least 2-3 years more of top end MS performance, but even longer in MD and XD if the CNT lets him keep playing.

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      We need to wait and see how many doubles title he can still get.

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      No doubt in my mind this is true. I made that comment in 2017 after I saw him play doubles in person at the WTTC in Germany. I hadn't counted the titles, it was just watching how he dominated points in doubles. It was just the eye test. His game is ideally suited for doubles.
      Last edited by Baal; 10-17-2019 at 02:39 AM.

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      I think, maybe Der_Echte should be under consideration for, at least, one of the top 10. He is so good as a doubles player that he even got me to play doubles adequately when he was my teammate. And I am hands down, the worst doubles player in history.

      I definitely have some funny stories that would confirm that worst doubles player in history status.
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      I think, maybe Der_Echte should be under consideration for, at least, one of the top 10. He is so good as a doubles player that he even got me to play doubles adequately when he was my teammate. And I am hands down, the worst doubles player in history.

      I definitely have some funny stories that would confirm that worst doubles player in history status.
      Lets go Spinny Looping !

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      Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel View Post
      Ever heard of Ma Lin? Check out his doubles record


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      Chen Qi is another notable doubles player.

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