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      Timo Boll Alc v Stiga Carbonado

      Can anyone with experience of both give me some thoughts on how the stiga series of blades compares to the Butterfly Timo Boll ALC. Which of the carbonado series would be closest to the alc, or are they all very different to it?

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      According to ttgearlab the carbonado 190 has similar flex / elasticity to the Timo Boll ALC.

      https://ttgearlab.com/2019/06/10/sti...view-lab-test/

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      NextLevel would be best suited to answer this question.

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      They feel different but the speed level is close to 145. I think the arc of tb alc is in between c145 and 190

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      Quote Originally Posted by thomas.pong View Post
      NextLevel would be best suited to answer this question.
      Bryan gave the answer I gave. I much prefer the Carbonado 190 to the Boll ALC because of the limba outer ply. The 145 is a bit closer to 5 ply all wood behavior.
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      But why get either one of these 2 when you can get acoustic carbon?

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      A question of taste (and maybe what you are used to). I tried the Carbonado 145, sold it to a clubmate. I normally use a Viscaria, pretty much the same as a Boll ALC. Never tried a 190.

      Ideally someone you know has one you can try.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Baal View Post
      A question of taste (and maybe what you are used to). I tried the Carbonado 145, sold it to a clubmate. I normally use a Viscaria, pretty much the same as a Boll ALC. Never tried a 190.

      Ideally someone you know has one you can try.
      The 145 is too different from a Viscaria. The 190 is much closer and then things like feeling of the top ply and handle come into play. I actually use the 190 now as my backup blade with MX-K.

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      Quote Originally Posted by laistrogian View Post
      But why get either one of these 2 when you can get acoustic carbon?
      I think the Carbonado series are different from the Acoustic series and it depends on your feeling. I have hit with a friends Acoustic Carbon and I didn't feel like I liked it as much as I like the Carbonado I have. I have all the X45 series and the 190 as well. Since I am transitioning to using faster blades in my game, the 190 is currently the best fit, though if I was all out topspin, I might prefer the 145 as I see it as a faster Korbel.

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      Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel View Post
      I think the Carbonado series are different from the Acoustic series and it depends on your feeling. I have hit with a friends Acoustic Carbon and I didn't feel like I liked it as much as I like the Carbonado I have. I have all the X45 series and the 190 as well. Since I am transitioning to using faster blades in my game, the 190 is currently the best fit, though if I was all out topspin, I might prefer the 145 as I see it as a faster Korbel.
      Acoustic carbon feeling is mostly similar to zlc

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      Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel View Post
      Bryan gave the answer I gave. I much prefer the Carbonado 190 to the Boll ALC because of the limba outer ply. The 145 is a bit closer to 5 ply all wood behavior.
      What’s interesting is that I assumed the ttgearlabs measurements for the 190 would be the most similar to the Freitas ALC since they are both Limba outer, but that’s not the case. Too many different factors I guess (TeXtreme vs ALC, thickness, etc...)

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      also, textreme by a long shot has a feeling near to zylon and not alc.
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      Quote Originally Posted by yogi_bear View Post
      also, textreme by a long shot has a feeling near to zylon and not alc.
      How can we describe the differences between ALC, ZLC and textreme ? For a same composition blade

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      Quote Originally Posted by BryanY View Post
      What’s interesting is that I assumed the ttgearlabs measurements for the 190 would be the most similar to the Freitas ALC since they are both Limba outer, but that’s not the case. Too many different factors I guess (TeXtreme vs ALC, thickness, etc...)
      TTGearLab's method captures certain very important aspects of blade properties but I don't believe it fully describes a given blade. It does question the common wisdom of outer ply importance.

      An odd example is Infinity VPS V that is labeled as slow and not very flexible:
      https://ttgearlab.com/2018/01/23/stiga-arctic-wood-celero-wood-lab-test/

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