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    Long story short, CNT is not playing in WTT Doha.

    Must be super dissapointing to organisers etc for this to happen. Same time honestly no one can be surprised and no one can make judgement on these decisions as situation globally still bad.

    Still praying Olympics can go ahead but between now and then alot needs to improve


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    Interesting ... Japan will also withdraw the application?

    Think most teams will withdraw. If Team China not attending believing health is a risk which is true, most teams would agree that not worth it, probably see more beneficial training domestically.

    Dissapointing to organisers but that's life


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    WTT is shit anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takkyu_wa_inochi
    WTT is shit anyway.

    Considering how limited the playing schedule is now, nice just to see players compete. I'd tune into T2 right now just to see Ma Long Chen Meng Mima play


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    第14届全国运动会乒乓球项目预赛将于本月20日在成都打响,昨天是各参赛队伍截止报名的日子,广东乒乓球队7男6女参赛名单出炉。广东男队将由世界冠军樊振东领衔,广东女队将由奥运冠军刘诗雯领军。广东队在男团项目已经提前获得决赛阶段的参赛资格,樊振东、林高远、刘诗雯也提前锁定了单打项目的决赛阶段入场券。除了2018年中国公开赛男双冠军组合樊振东/林高远将代表广东队在预赛上重锤出击之外,曾经在2016年全国锦标赛夺得混双冠军并在2017年天津全运会组对参赛的“诗与远方”组合刘诗雯/林高远重出江湖,他们将代表广东队冲击混双项目的入场券。

      参赛队员须先过体测关

      今年的全运会将于9月在陕西举行,乒乓球项目预赛于本月20日到30日在成都展开。广东队本月19日飞赴成都,在20日和21日参加体能测试。团体项目的角逐于23日到26日举行,27日至30日将展开五个单项的预赛。此次乒乓球项目的体测内容包括基础体能与专项体能两部分,合共8个项目。全体参赛运动员都要参加体能测试,不达标者不能参赛。

      在排球项目的全运会预赛体能测试上,获得世界三大赛冠军的国家女排现役运动员可以免去体能测试。这意味着朱婷、袁心玥、张常宁等正在参加中国女排封闭集训的冠军队员们不需要参加体测。冠军选手减免体测的条款并没有出现了乒乓球项目上,中国乒协对所有参赛运动员一视同仁,奥运冠军和世界冠军均需要参加,未获任何优待。因此,广东队的三大冠军主力樊振东、刘诗雯、林高远都需要在开赛前参加体测。广东男队主教练李肇民透露,队员们在这段封闭集训期间相当重视体能训练,也特别针对体测的各项内容进行备战,相信大家届时能顺利通过。

      男团免赛女团目标出线

      《第十四届全国运动会乒乓球项目竞赛规程》在参加办法中标出,在2020年全国锦标赛上获得团体前4名的队伍将直接进入全运会团体决赛阶段,获得2018年和2019年世界锦标赛、2019年世界杯团体和2019年、2020年男女世界杯各项比赛前3名的运动员,具有参加单打项目决赛阶段比赛的资格。

      这意味着,去年夺得全国锦标赛男团冠军的广东男队这次并不需要参加男团项目的预赛。2019年布达佩斯世乒赛女单冠军刘诗雯、2020年男子世界杯冠军樊振东、2018年世乒赛团体赛男团冠军林高远不需要参加单打项目的预赛。不过,如果他们要获得双打项目决赛阶段的参赛资格,还是需要参加预赛的选拔。因此,樊振东与林高远的男双组合,刘诗雯与林高远的混双组合,仍然需要参加预赛并力争挺进16强。

      樊振东并没有报名混双项目,而刘诗雯也不参加女双。与广东男队锁定了男团决赛阶段入场券不同,广东女队不仅需要参赛预赛,而且还以出线作为目标。尽管拥有中国女乒绝对主力刘诗雯,但是,广东女队在过去两届全运会均未能获得决赛阶段的参赛资格。主教练凌伟超透露,这次女团参赛阵容仍以刘诗雯为绝对核心,19岁国家二队小将黄頴琦也将被委以重任,她在去年的全国青年赛领衔广东女队夺得了女团冠军,希望她在大师姐刘诗雯的带领下,在预赛中也有出色发挥。

      “诗与远方”组合或将拆对

      只要樊振东/林高远挺进了预赛的前16名,他们就能获得9月决赛阶段的男双参赛资格。如果“诗与远方”组合在这次预赛中获得混双前16名,他们也将锁定一张决赛阶段入场券。与樊振东/林高远最大的不同,是刘诗雯/林高远届时或许面临拆对,不过,这对广东队将是一件“好事”。

      原来,全运会乒乓球项目竞赛规程中还提到,东京奥运会参赛资格带入全运会。奥运会男、女单打参赛运动员可直接参加全运会男、女单打决赛阶段的比赛;奥运会混双项目参赛组合直接挺进16强,而他们并不占用原单位参赛配额,同时保留两名运动员原注册单位已经取得的混双资格。国乒尚未公布东京奥运会的三男三女参赛阵容,作为国乒备战奥运绝对主力的樊振东和刘诗雯很大机会入选。

      在国乒奥运阵容中,唯一确定的是头号混双组合许昕/刘诗雯已获得奥运会参赛资格,他们将作为国乒唯一代表角逐混双金牌。如果刘诗雯在3月的预赛中与林高远参加混双并获得决赛阶段的入场券,她在8月参加完东京奥运会后,可以选择与许昕继续在9月的全运会上联手争金,成为本届全运会赛场唯一的跨队配对组合。“落单”的林高远还是拥有混双参赛资格,他可以与广东女队其他队员组对参赛。这样,广东队在这个项目上又多了一个冲金机会。

    Team Guangdong has announced their line-up for the National Games (to be held in September), but the preliminaries/qualification tournament will commence 20 March.

    Men's Team (proceed directly to main draw as winners of the National Championships last year): Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Zhou Qihao, Zhang Chao, Handsome Boy

    Women's Team: Liu Shiwen, Huang Yingqi, Zhang Chi, Zhang Meizhu, Peng Shishi

    Men's Singles: Fan Zhendong (proceed directly to main draw), Lin Gaoyuan (proceed directly to main draw), Zhou Qihao, Zhang Chao, Handsome Boy, Placeholders 1 & 2

    Women's Singles: Liu Shiwen (proceed directly to main draw), Huang Yingqi, Zhang Chi, Zhang Meizhu, Peng Shishi, Placeholder 1

    Men's Doubles: Fan Zhendong/Lin Gaoyuan, Zhou Qihao/Zhang Chao

    Women's Doubles: Huang Yingqi/Zhang Chi, Zhang Meizhu/Peng Shishi

    Mixed Doubles: Lin Gaoyuan/Liu Shiwen, Zhou Qihao/Zhang Meizhu, Placeholder Pairs 1-3

    Actually I just wanted to talk about XD. There's a rule stating that the Olympics XD representatives can advance to the main draw of the National Games directly (奥运会混双项目参赛组合直接挺进16强), so that begs the question of why LSW is still pairing with LGY to fight for a spot in the main draw, unless LSW's XD slot is not as secure despite official confirmation on the ITTF website. Or are the coaches making her play so that she can get back into the competitive groove more smoothly? Or is this provincial pride, a desire to prove that they don't need players from another province (XX is from Team Shanghai) to win? Intriguing.

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    Team Guangdong has announced their line-up for the National Games (to be held in September), but the preliminaries/qualification tournament will commence 20 March.

    Men's Team (proceed directly to main draw as winners of the National Championships last year): Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Zhou Qihao, Zhang Chao, Handsome Boy

    Women's Team: Liu Shiwen, Huang Yingqi, Zhang Chi, Zhang Meizhu, Peng Shishi

    Men's Singles: Fan Zhendong (proceed directly to main draw), Lin Gaoyuan (proceed directly to main draw), Zhou Qihao, Zhang Chao, Handsome Boy, Placeholders 1 & 2

    Women's Singles: Liu Shiwen (proceed directly to main draw), Huang Yingqi, Zhang Chi, Zhang Meizhu, Peng Shishi, Placeholder 1

    Men's Doubles: Fan Zhendong/Lin Gaoyuan, Zhou Qihao/Zhang Chao

    Women's Doubles: Huang Yingqi/Zhang Chi, Zhang Meizhu/Peng Shishi

    Mixed Doubles: Lin Gaoyuan/Liu Shiwen, Zhou Qihao/Zhang Meizhu, Placeholder Pairs 1-3

    Actually I just wanted to talk about XD. There's a rule stating that the Olympics XD representatives can advance to the main draw of the National Games directly (奥运会混双项目参赛组合直接挺进16强), so that begs the question of why LSW is still pairing with LGY to fight for a spot in the main draw, unless LSW's XD slot is not as secure despite official confirmation on the ITTF website. Or are the coaches making her play so that she can get back into the competitive groove more smoothly? Or is this provincial pride, a desire to prove that they don't need players from another province (XX is from Team Shanghai) to win? Intriguing.


    That's not intriguing at all ... since it's a complete different competition that has nothing to do with olympics qualification system. You're just... off topic then.
    1- XX/LSW is qualified AND CONFIRMED on the official ITTF list for the olympics XD
    https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uplo...2020_04_21.pdf
    2- The National Games will be held in... September, after the olympics right... ?
    3- "can advance", but not "must advance", right ... ? therefore this is NOT a MANDATORY rule.

    In fact, the ITTF list does not care about provincial preferences in CTTA, the CTTA has already CONFIRMED it was XX/LSW, therefore they let the provinces do whatever they want for a complete different competition held AFTER the olympics. I think that's fair, they want to preserve the "provincial competition spirit".

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    From what I understand per the prospectus, it has to do with quota. Guangdong can potentially gain an extra entry by entering LGY/LSW for qualification.

    http://www.sport.gov.cn/n316/n336/c9...art/630382.pdf
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    三、参加办法
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    (二)决赛
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    3.东京奥运会参赛资格带入第十四届全运会。奥运会参赛运动员可直接参加第十四届全运会男女单打的决赛;奥运会混合双打的运动员,其代表单位可组合直接参加第十四届全运会混双的决赛,不占用原单位参赛配额,同时保留两名运动员原注册单位已经取得的混双资格。

    七、换人办法
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    4.因东京奥运会混合双打原配对运动员跨省组合直接参加全运会决赛,而影响到这两名运动员所在单位在资格赛取得混双决赛资格的配对时,两个原单位可协商从本单位报名参加资格赛但未取得混双决赛资格的运动员中选取1人组成新组合。

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    LGL has stressed multiple times since 2019 that he has to prepare for the worst case scenario and must have a back-up plan. From the entries for the World Tour in 2019 and the Tokyo 2020 Simulation last year, there are likely at least 2 extra pairings in consideration for Tokyo 2020:

    1. XX/LSW;
    2. XX/SYS;
    3. WCQ/SYS.

    The second one seals WMY's fate, on top of losing to FTW in WTTC 2018. WMY's best chance is as the reserve player over DN. OTOH, SYS passed the stress test at the WWC 2020, on top of playing 2 singles in the final of TWC 2019 after DN strained her lower back in the semi. The third one is the least likely after Qatar Open 2020.

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    女队主教练李隼表示,“女队在封闭集训的主要目标是提高主力队员强对抗的能力。刘诗雯、陈梦、孙颖莎、王曼昱等主力在这次集训中都展示出了要全力冲刺奥运的决心。尤其是前段时间饱受伤病困扰的刘诗雯,通过全运会预赛和封闭集训的恢复,状态比想象更好。”

    Li Sun shared that Liu Shiwen, Chen Meng, Sun Yingsha and Wang Manyu demonstrated keen desire to participate in the upcoming Olympics (unofficial official statement about China's Tokyo lineup?). Liu Shiwen's recovery in particular, based on her performances in the National Games and closed-door training camp, was pleasantly surprising.


    ZYL: It was only lip service when I said in an interview that Tokyo 2020 has nothing to do with me... You mean I'm not one of the cores for real? But I'm the reigning Marvellous 12 Champion!


    秦志戬补充说,“现在我们正以封闭集训为主,同时策划在四月底五月初,利用五一假期,根据自身备战节奏在国内安排包括“直通WTT大满贯·世乒赛”等一系列强强对抗赛事,通过WTT大满贯和世乒赛名额来调动全队备战的积极性。让队员们也能借此保持良好竞技状态并展现综合实力。此赛事的筹备,我们正与相关主流媒体积极沟通,希望能为广大球迷奉献一场乒乓盛宴,期待球迷粉丝多多关注。

    Qin Zhijian shared that the CNT is planning to hold trials for WTT China and WTTC some time between late April and early May (around Labour Day) to keep the players on their toes. It will likely be broadcasted as they are currently in discussion with mainstream media about bringing a feast for the fans' eyes.

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    No.China Hub from WTT..
    I'm curious what is planned now? Why not an Asia Cup, for example a small field ... ideal!

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-o...-idUSKBN2C208V [h1]Tokyo Olympics might yet be cancelled due to COVID-19 - Japanese official[/h1] TOKYO (Reuters) -A senior Japanese ruling party official said cancelling this year’s Olympics in Tokyo remains an option if the coronavirus crisis becomes too dire, as a fourth wave of infections surges less than 100 days from the planned start of the Games.

    “If it seems impossible to do it any more, then we have to stop, decisively,” Toshihiro Nikai, secretary general of the Liberal Democratic Party, said in comments to broadcaster TBS.

    Cancellation is “of course” an option, Nikai said. “If the Olympics were to spread infection, then what are the Olympics for?” he added.

    A key backer of Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga, party heavyweight Nikai is known for his frank comments, which come as many other ruling party lawmakers have avoided discussing the hot button issue of a possible cancellation.

    The world’s biggest sporting event has already been delayed by a year and is being held without international spectators.

    Japan is grappling with rising coronavirus infections, with numbers trending higher in Tokyo after the government ended a state of emergency, and Osaka suffering a record number of cases.

    The government is pushing ahead with preparations incorporating social distancing measures and other restrictions for the Games set to begin on July 23, with a scaled back torch relay underway.

    “We’ll hold (the Games) in a way that’s feasible,” Taro Kono, a popular minister in charge of Japan’s vaccination drive, said on a separate TV programme, according to Kyodo News. “That may be without spectators,” he added.

    [h2]LITTLE SUPPORT[/h2]

    Polls indicate little support in Japan for holding the Games during a global pandemic. “Canceling Olympics” was trending on Twitter in Japan on Thursday with more than 35,000 tweets from users.

    “If this person says it, Olympics cancellation looks like a reality,” tweeted

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    Thick suspense - the stakes being so high, I don’t think it’s easy for any party involved to call out what’s been obvious for at least half a year already. A high end game of chicken, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janard

    Li Sun shared that Liu Shiwen, Chen Meng, Sun Yingsha and Wang Manyu demonstrated keen desire to participate in the upcoming Olympics (unofficial official statement about China's Tokyo lineup?). Liu Shiwen's recovery in particular, based on her performances in the National Games and closed-door training camp, was pleasantly surprising.


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    Qin Zhijian shared that the CNT is planning to hold trials for WTT China and WTTC some time between late April and early May (around Labour Day) to keep the players on their toes. It will likely be broadcasted as they are currently in discussion with mainstream media about bringing a feast for the fans' eyes.

    Zhu Yuling seems like the type of person who's happy with where they are. Good on her. Table tennis could do with more of such role models especially from CNT where 必胜 mentality is so prevalient.


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    While there may still be uncertainty about the status of the Tokyo Olympics, I just wanted to provide an important update that may factor in China's Olympic Team selection. Last April 14, 2021, ITTF updated the ITTF Table Tennis World Ranking Regulations. On page 2 of the document, it says, "Seeding at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games will be conducted in accordance with the Olympic Qualification Ranking, not the ITTF Table Tennis World Ranking." The Olympic Qualification Ranking differs from the current ITTF Table Tennis WR system because the former still follows the old 2020 World Ranking Regulation points system. In the Olympic Qualification Ranking, the WTT Doha Contender is given the same WR points as the old ITTF Challenge Plus event (Winner gets 1100 WR points) while the WTT Doha Star Contender is given the same WR points as the old ITTF World Tour Regular event (Winner gets 1800 WR points). However, in the Olympic Qualification Ranking, there is no expiration or depreciation of 2019 or 2020 WR Points and you only take the 8 best results of all events played from April 2019 to June 2021 (as opposed to the current WR system where points earned in 2021 WTT events are added on top of the best 8 results in events prior to 2021)

    This differs from the original plan of ITTF in January where it wanted seeding to be based on the new WR system. (See page 12 of the old ITTF Table Tennis World Ranking Regulations posted in January 2021) This is likely the right call since the new WR system depreciated all WR points earned before 2021, which made the WR points earned in the 2 events played in WTT Middle East Hub weigh disproportionately more than all the points earned by players in 2019 and 2020 ITTF events such that those who were unable to make it to the Middle East Hub due to the pandemic were significantly disadvantaged.

    Anyway, under the most recent Olympic Qualification Ranking (April 2021), SYS is ranked 2 while Ito is ranked 3 because Ito's WTT Doha Star Contender win of 1800 points (following the old ranking system) merely replaced her 8th best result, which was a SF finish in the WTGF of 1660 points. Because Ito winning WTT Doha Contender is basically only equivalent to winning a Challenge Plus event, Ito only gained 1100 WR points, which didn't even make it to her best 8 results. In the end, under the Olympic Qualification Ranking Regulations, Ito had a net gain of 140 points from the WTT Middle East Hub. Compare this to the new WR ranking system where Ito gained 1000 WR points outright on top of her past best 8 results WR points and you can see why Ito is still behind SYS in the Olympic Qualification Ranking.

    Because of this change in the Tokyo 2020 Seeding Regulations, China has more of an incentive to send both CM and SYS for singles as it is the only way to guarantee both Chinese Women are drawn in opposite halves because ITTF did away with the Separation by Association Rule during the 2019 BoD meeting. Had Olympic seeding been done according to the original plan of basing it on the new WR system, Ito would be the 2nd seed and China couldn't guarantee their own players to be drawn in opposite halves whomever they selected. Of course, this isn't a guarantee that China will send both CM and SYS for singles since there are many other factors that it will consider in the selection, but this update does tip the scale slightly in their favor. With each country being required to submit their list of athletes Mid-May, it won't be long till we find out how China chooses to proceed.

    While Olympic seeding is based on the July Olympic Qualification Ranking, it is safe to assume that it will barely change from the April Olympic Qualification Ranking because there are unlikely to be any more international events before the Olympics. Furthermore, ITTF also resolved to extend the expiration of events so that no events will expire in the July 2021 Olympic ranking list, so the July list will be very similar if not exactly the same as the April list. Originally, events that transpired from April to June 2019, which include the 2019 China Open, HK Open, and Japan Open were supposed to expire and not count towards Olympic seeding. This would have hurt players who gained significant WR points in these events such as SYS (who would lose the 2250 points she earned in the 2019 Japan Open) and LSW (who was runner-up and gained 1800 points in the same Japan Open). In fact, had ITTF not extended the validity of these events, SYS would have fallen below Ito to the 3rd seed and LSW would fall below CIC and Ishikawa to the 5th seed in the July 2021 Olympic Qualification ranking list.

    Other noteworthy implications of adopting the Olympic Qualification ranking instead of the new ITTF Table Tennis WR for Olympic seeding are as follows:


    • Mixed doubles seeding under the most recent Olympic Qualification Ranking has XX/LSW seeded 1 and Mizutani/Ito seeded 2 as compared to the new WR which has LYJ/CIC seeded 1st instead of XX/LSW. This ultimately benefits the Japanese Pair as they will be guaranteed to be in the opposite half of the Chinese Pair, which should improve their medaling chances.
    • Wong Chun Ting/Doo Hoi Kem will now be seeded 4th in XD not 5th. Had the new WR system been used for seeding, the South Korean pairing of LSS/JJH would be seeded 4th because the Hong Kong pair's WR points would have depreciated on July 6th (Week 27) to a point where their points would be lower than the South Korean Pair's points due to the HK's non-participation in the Middle East Hub.
    • In Men's Singles, Hugo Calderano will be now seeded 4th and Lin Yun-Ju will be seeded 5th instead of the other way around.

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    That ranking update will have a huge impact on the lineup of women’s team and may very well be the final nail in the coffin for LSW’s case of playing singles. The risk of the CM/LSW winner playing against ITO for gold medal is just too high for the bureaucrats, it outweighs everything else. So it’s most likely CM/SYS play singles, LSW mixed double, and DN/WMY fighting for the fourth spot.
    I don’t see any movement in men’s lineup at all.

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    It seems that the ITTF has confused itself and everyone in general with these changes in ratings ...

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    CNT trials for WTT China and WTTC (which will double up as the second 'Mock Olympics') to be held from 3rd to 7th May. No details about format for now.

    Regarding selection, there are many unofficial signals (e.g. CCTV promo for Olympics and publicity materials like the one below) of late pointing to LSW and CM for singles, and SYS for team. At the rate ITTF is going, separation by association may well be reinstated (assuming it was gonna be scrapped in the first place). End of the day, CNT sends whoever they want to lol.


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    At this moment, I don’t see LSW as a single player at all at Tokyo unless the separation-by-association rule is reinstated, which is highly unlikely this year. A poster wrote a detailed analysis on this rating/seeding change and stated CM/SYS would be much preferred singles selection. LGL responded to the post (he rarely does) with a thumps up and a praise “高手在民间”


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    I think the 2019 BoD notes (https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Propositions_and_Resolutions_to_2019_BoD.pdf) indicate that China may still receive national association separation protections. The rationale for prop 16 is: The intent of the current rule is that players from the same Association, who often have to travel a long way, do not have to play matches against compatriots. However, this should only apply to the top players, with all others guaranteed not to meet in the first round proper. This will also make the draw much more simplified and easier to follow

    I would assume that China qualifies as "top". Maybe they are just too lazy to make it so that Jang Woojin and Lee Sangsu don't play each other in the round of 32 or something. Also, does prop 16 mean that only the top four players will be seeded? I am pretty sure that will make the draw more chaotic and less easy to follow.

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    Propositions 16 and 21 were passed together. 4.5.2.3 makes it clear there will be no separation after the prelims at the Olympic Games. But it's the ITTF, nothing is ever set in stone.

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