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    Quote Originally Posted by edgesandnets
    I think the 2019 BoD notes (https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Propositions_and_Resolutions_to_2019_BoD.pdf) indicate that China may still receive national association separation protections. The rationale for prop 16 is: The intent of the current rule is that players from the same Association, who often have to travel a long way, do not have to play matches against compatriots. However, this should only apply to the top players, with all others guaranteed not to meet in the first round proper. This will also make the draw much more simplified and easier to follow

    I would assume that China qualifies as "top". Maybe they are just too lazy to make it so that Jang Woojin and Lee Sangsu don't play each other in the round of 32 or something. Also, does prop 16 mean that only the top four players will be seeded? I am pretty sure that will make the draw more chaotic and less easy to follow.

    Because the text in the BoD meeting notes and the ITTF Handbook isn't super clear, I don't think we will get a definitive answer regarding the applicability of the separation of association rule in the Olympics until ITTF makes a news article or issues a statement about the issue (which they probably won't, so we might have to wait until the Olympic draw occurs.) However, I am more inclined to hold the view that separation by association will not apply in this year's Olympics for several reasons.

    First, while you cited Proposition 16, I think Proposition 21 is still more apt in answering the question regarding the applicability of the separation of association rule in the Olympics since provision 4.5.2.3 falls directly under the 4.5 Olympic Competitions Section of the ITTF Handbook (page 88). The 2021 Version of the ITTF Handbook has been recently released and it seems that no change was made and provision 4.5.2.3 still remains. If the rationale of 4.5.2.3 is to make the main criteria of Olympic Draws based on World Ranking, then getting rid of the separation by association rule is makes sense. If ITTF intended to keep the separation by association rule for the Olympics, then it would make no sense for it to even propose an amendment. It could have just done nothing during the BoD meeting since the default had always been separation by association during the Olympics. In my view, the fact that ITTF chose to make an amendment probably means that the way the Olympic draw will be done this year won't be the same as how Olympic draws in the past were done.

    Second, CTTA was actually quite concerned about the passing of Proposition 21 or provision 4.5.2.3 on Olympic draws. In the Executive Committee meeting last Oct 20 to 21, 2019 in Chengdu, CTTA actually asked ITTF to clarify what Proposition 21 meant hinting that CTTA also interpreted the provision in a way that it seems to do away with Separation by Association in the Olympics. This makes sense as China would probably be the country most negatively impacted by this proposition. The text in the minutes reads as follows but you can access it yourself on page 17 of this document: "Request of clarification on a BoD proposition from CTTA- The Secretary General got a request for clarification from a Member Association on the Proposition 21, that passed in the Board of Directors in Budapest. The Secretary General suggested that the proposition should be considered as it passed (text presented in the BoD book sent to the members in advance and presented in the screen in Budapest, as there were no amendments made at the meeting). The EC agreed to the Secretary General recommendation."

    Third, I was able to watch one of the Nightly Japanese Sports News programs that air on Japanese cable TV (Some Youtube channel recorded the TV program and posted it on Youtube). This was after Ito won the Doha Contender event and passed SYS to be WR no. 2. The Japanese TV Sports Analysts showed a graphic of the possible Olympic Draw and discussed the implications of Ito's win because of the possibility of her now being able to make the Olympic Finals without having to defeat a Chinese player. This implies that Japan has knowledge that separation by association will not apply in this year's Olympics. Given how concerned JTTA has been about Olympic seeding ever since 2019, it would be surprising if they didn't have knowledge on how the Olympic Draw will be conducted. Unfortunately, the Youtube video has already been deleted due to copyright infringement, so I can't post a link for reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgesandnets
    I think the 2019 BoD notes (https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Propositions_and_Resolutions_to_2019_BoD.pdf) Also, does prop 16 mean that only the top four players will be seeded? I am pretty sure that will make the draw more chaotic and less easy to follow.

    To answer your question regarding proposition 16, no it doesn't mean only the top 4 players will be seeded. I can understand the confusion as the wording was not precise. Provision 3.6.3.3 should be read together with provision 3.6.3.2 in the ITTF Handbook(page 58). It basically just means that if a tournament chooses to implement the separation by association rule, then the highest-ranked player and second highest-ranked player of each country will be drawn in different halves. Then, the third highest-ranked player of a country and fourth-highest ranked player of each country should be drawn into quarters different from the occupied by their highest-ranked player and second highest-ranked player.

    Provision 3.6.3.3 could have been clearer by stating: The entries ranked 1 and 2 (of each association) shall be drawn into different halves and those ranked 3 and 4 into quarters other than those occupied by the first two (players of the same association).

    The main change in proposition 16 is really just removing the guarantee that the 5th to 8th best player of a country is drawn into a different eighth as those already occupied by the 1st-4th best player of a country and removing the guarantee that the 9th to 16th best player of a country is drawn in a different sixteenth as those already occupied by their countrymen. There are very few tournaments that implement the separation by association rule. The most recent one I can recall is the 2019 Asian Table Tennis Championships. In this tournament, each Asian country can only field a maximum of 5 players in singles. If you look at the singles draws of the men's and women's event, you will notice that the earliest players of the same association can meet is in the QF. The 4 highest-ranked players of each country were drawn into different quarters with the 5th highest-ranked player only having the opportunity to meet a teammate in the QF since the old regulations required that "the entries ranked 5-8 (of each association) shall be drawn as evenly as possible into eighths other than those occupied by the first four (of the same association). However, now that this has been deleted by proposition 16, there's now a possibility that the 5th ranked player of a country meets his teammate in an earlier round than the QF. Note that the 4 highest-ranked players of each country will still be drawn into different quarters, so this change only really affects players of a country ranked 5th or lower.

    To illustrate, let's use the Chinese Men's team singles entries for the 2019 Asian Table Tennis Championships as an example (Based on Sept. 2019 WR): Also see the 2019 ATTC seeding list for reference.
    1. Xu Xin (WR 1, 1st seed)
    2. Fan Zhendong (WR 2, 2nd seed)
    3. Lin Gaoyuan (WR 4, 3rd seed)
    4. Liang Jingkun (WR 8, 5th seed)
    5. Wang Chuqin (WR 25, 9th seed)

    If you look at the men's draw, China's rank 1 and 2 were drawn into different halves. China's rank 3 and 4 were drawn into quarters other than those occupied by the first two. (If there was no separation by association, LJK, being the 5th seed, would have a 75% chance of being drawn into XX, FZD, or LGY's quarter but because of separation by association, he was drawn into 4th seed Harimoto's quarter which happened to be the only quarter not occupied by a Chinese player.) WCQ, the 5th ranked entry of China, was guaranteed to be drawn into an eighth other than those occupied by any of his four higher-ranked countrymen. If there was no separation by association, WCQ being the 9th seed would have a 4/8 chance of meeting a teammate in the R16. Now, because of proposition 16, removing the guarantee that the 5th to 8th best player of a country is drawn into a different eighth as those already occupied by the 1st-4th best player of a country, even if the next Asian Table Tennis Championships has a separation by association rule, WCQ being the 5th ranked entry of China could face his teammate earlier than the QF if his seeding is 9 or worse.

    So basically, the main takeaway from proposition 16 is the removing of the guarantee that the 5th to 8th best player of a country is drawn into a different eighth as those already occupied by the 1st-4th best player of a country and removing the guarantee that the 9th to 16th best player of a country is drawn in a different sixteenth as those already occupied by their countrymen. It doesn't seem to affect the Olympics since only 2 players per country play singles, not 5 or more, which is why I think proposition 21 is more apt in determining the applicability of the separation by association rule in the Olympics.


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    Not sure if this is a standard practice since I didn't watch TT before 2018, but the CTTA has published their selection guidelines for the Tokyo Olympics. I will attempt to translate the crucial parts, and hopefully someone else will help to pick out any errors.
      四、运动员选拔工作程序
      (一)以有利于完成东京奥运会参赛任务、有利于乒乓球项目可持续发展为目的,从主力运动员中选拔大赛成绩突出、对外战绩优异、心理素质和抗压能力强的运动员参加东京奥运会。
    Core players who have obtained stellar results in major tournaments (presumably WTTC, WC), maintained good winning records against foreign players and have demonstrated outstanding mental resilience/endurance.
      (二)参照世界排名且不唯世界排名的原则,结合近两年内运动员参加一系列国际国内大赛成绩,确定参加奥运会的主力运动员范围。
    The world ranking will be referenced but not taken as the sole determining factor, as the pool of candidates will still depend on the core players' domestic and international performances in the past two years (presumably 2019 and 2020).
      (三)综合考量运动员竞争实力、体能状况、伤病康复等情况,以及为国争光、大局为重的思想意识,合理安排运动员兼项。
    How many events a player will assume is inflected by his/her competitive abilities, physical condition, rate of recovery from injuries and whether s/he is able to prioritise the big picture (i.e. country's glory above self).

    TBH, the men's team is pretty set so the above selection criteria likely only helps to quell some of the debates surrounding the women's team (or maybe causes more heated discussion 😁).

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    CTTA has published the selection criteria before for Athens 2004, Beijing 2008 and London 2012. Rio 2016 had different qualification rules so they did things differently.

    Athens 2004
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2004-03-17/1835811624.shtml

    Beijing 2008
    http://www.ctta.cn/xwzx/ppxw/2007/1122/94694.html
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2007-11-...53318826.shtml
    http://news.cctv.com/sports/tableten...3/100692.shtml

    London 2012
    http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/qttz/2011/0428/103087.html
    http://www.ctta.cn/xwzx/ppxw/2011/0607/99287.html

    Rio 2016
    http://www.ctta.cn/xwzx/ppxw/2014/0331/92795.html
    http://www.ctta.cn/xwzx/ppxw/2015/1107/101549.html
    http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/qttz/2016/0516/104160.html
    http://www.xinhuanet.com//world/2016...1119270283.htm
      信息公开方面,有些项目在选拔程序启动前便在协会官网上公布了奥运选拔办法,但有些并未在官网公布。一位项目管理中心负责人透露,选拔办法在体育系统内部肯定是公开的,是否对社会公开要看队伍自己。对于选拔办法为何并未全部面向社会公开,有的队伍认为是内部文件“没有必要”,有的是为了避免“外界压力”导致横生枝节。
    http://www.xinhuanet.com/sports/xty/20160725b.htm

    Tokyo 2020
    http://www.ctta.cn/xhgg/ssxg/2021/0429/380722.html

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    Personally, I am not completely sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad Celler
    Personally, I am not completely sure.

    This could be the end of the IOC potentially with Tokyo 2020 and Beijing 2022 cancelled. Implications might be limited future biddings and also entire future of the Olympics could be put in doubt, imagine if France 2024 has similar fate.

    ​Same time Pandora's box could open as surely Japan isn't prepared to host the event with I'd say limited medical staff, minimal population vaccinated and covid measures deteriorated. Lose-Lose situaton which ever way you look at it. Japanese governments legacy could be unrepairable if big deaths result to poor judgement and poor handling.

    Decision should be made soon, not fair to athletes preparing with cloud of uncertainty. Don't think too many athletes would like to be in the same buildings or sharing a bus or competing against teams from India or Brazil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaLin2.0

    This could be the end of the IOC potentially with Tokyo 2020 and Beijing 2022 cancelled. Implications might be limited future biddings and also entire future of the Olympics could be put in doubt, imagine if France 2024 has similar fate.

    ​Same time Pandora's box could open as surely Japan isn't prepared to host the event with I'd say limited medical staff, minimal population vaccinated and covid measures deteriorated. Lose-Lose situaton which ever way you look at it. Japanese governments legacy could be unrepairable if big deaths result to poor judgement and poor handling.

    Decision should be made soon, not fair to athletes preparing with cloud of uncertainty. Don't think too many athletes would like to be in the same buildings or sharing a bus or competing against teams from India or Brazil.

    Fewer than 20,000 athletes and coaches in the summer games. Even if all Japanese and foreign support staff are included, it's still an insignificant number given the current scale of vaccination efforts in many countries. It would be politically difficult to prioritize Olympic participants for vaccination, maybe impossible in situations like those in India and Brazil, but that's what should be attempted if they want the Tokyo games to happen. It's so obvious that maybe it is being attempted and they're just keeping it quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaLin2.0

    Tokyo 2021 definitely happening?

    Doesn't matter to the CNT. Preparations are under way.

    https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:4626153655435295
    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/202..._139882836.htm

    As for Japan,

    Yoshihide Suga: COVID-19? Never underestimate Japan's soft power! We'll just turn this MF into another mascot!

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...ritium-mascot/
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1221726.shtml
    https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1386635238986510341

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    Quick updates on the upcoming WTT Grand Slam & WTTC Trials for the CNT (also dubbed the second "Mock Olympics Games/Olympics Simulation Games").

    Date: 3rd May to 7th May 2021
    Location: Xinxiang, Heinan


    Competition Format

    Men's & Women's Singles

    Stage 1: Round-Robin Group Matches
    • 8 Groups; Best of 5

    Stage 2: Knockout
    • Best of 7

    Mixed Doubles
    • Knockout; Best of 7

    Tentative Schedule

    3rd May
    1000h-1200h: MS & WS Round-Robin Group Matches
    1500h-1630h: XD Round of 16
    1800h-2200h: MS & WS Round-Robin Group Matches

    4th May
    1000h-1400h: MS & WS Round-Robin Group Matches
    1800h-2200h: MS & WS Round-Robin Group Matches

    5th May
    1000h-1200h: MS & WS Round-Robin Group Matches
    1500h-1630h: XD Quarter-Finals
    1930h-2230h: MS & WS Quarter-Finals

    6th May
    1000h-1200h:XD Semi-Finals
    1830h-2230h: MS & WS Semi-Finals

    7th May
    1000h: XD Bronze Medal Match
    1100h: XD Gold Medal Match
    1205: XD Prize Presentation Ceremony
    1830h: WS Bronze Medal Match
    1930h: MS Bronze Medal Match
    2030h: WS Gold Medal Match
    2130h: MS Gold Medal Match
    2235h: MS& WS Prize Presentation Ceremony

    List of Participants

    Mixed Doubles
    1) Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen
    2) Liang Jingkun/Sun Yingsha
    3) Wang Chuqin/Wang Manyu
    4) Fan Zhendong/Qian Tianyi
    5) Lin Gaoyuan/Zhang Rui
    6) Xu Chenhao/Wang Yidi
    7) Zhou Qihao/Gu Yuting
    8) Zhou Yu/Chen Xingtong
    9) Zheng Peifeng/Liu Weishan
    10) Ma Te/Liu Fei
    11) Zhu Linfeng/Zhu Yuling
    12) Zhou Kai/He Zhuojia
    13) Zhao Zhaoyan/Sun Mingyang
    14) Yu Ziyang/Chen Yi
    15) Sun Wen/Kuai Man
    16) Xue Fei/Shi Xunyao

    Men's Singles
    1) Fan Zhendong; 2) Xu Xin; 3) Ma Long; 4) Lin Gaoyuan; 5) Liang Jingkun; 6) Wang Chuqin; 7) Xu Chenhao; 8) Zhou Qihao; 9) Yuan Licen; 10) Zhou Yu; 11) Fang Bo; 12) Liu Dingshuo; 13) Sun Wen; 14) Liang Yanning; 15) Yan An; 16) Ma Te; 17) Niu Guankai; 18) Yu Ziyang; 19) Xiang Peng; 20) Xu Yingbin; 21) Quan Kaiyuan... 30) Zhou Kai; 31) Zheng Peifeng; 32) Xue Fei... 34) Hou Yingchao... (Total 36 players)

    Women's Singles
    1) Chen Meng; 2) Sun Yingsha; 3) Wang Manyu; 4) Zhu Yuling; 5) Liu Shiwen; 6) Wang Yidi; 7) Chen Xingtong; 8) He Zhuojia; 9) Qian Tianyi; 10) Gu Yuting; 11) Zhang Rui; 12) Liu Fei; 13) Sun Mingyang; 14) Kuai Man; 15) Shi Xunyao... (Total 36 players)

    Trial Outcomes

    WTT Grand Slam
    • Top two U18 players, Top two U22 players and the Top five players will qualify
    • XD champions will qualify

    WTTC2021 Houston
    • WS and MS champions will qualify

    China TT Super League
    • Top 16 MS & WS players will qualify

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeio
    Doesn't matter to the CNT. Preparations are under way.

    https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:4626153655435295
    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/202..._139882836.htm

    As for Japan,

    Yoshihide Suga: COVID-19? Never underestimate Japan's soft power! We'll just turn this MF into another mascot!

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...ritium-mascot/
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1221726.shtml
    https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1386635238986510341

    Of course CNT would be preparing. Majority athletes would be however its that unknown which isn't fair to them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Evil

    Fewer than 20,000 athletes and coaches in the summer games. Even if all Japanese and foreign support staff are included, it's still an insignificant number given the current scale of vaccination efforts in many countries. It would be politically difficult to prioritize Olympic participants for vaccination, maybe impossible in situations like those in India and Brazil, but that's what should be attempted if they want the Tokyo games to happen. It's so obvious that maybe it is being attempted and they're just keeping it quiet.


    Who knows. Might be a success and great measures but could also be a disaster


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaLin2.0

    Of course CNT would be preparing. Majority athletes would be however its that unknown which isn't fair to them.

    Whether something is fair or not to EVERYONE is of no concern to any specific NOC but the IOC and the JOC.

    Most of them are there as also-rans, with or without COVID-19. Major teams always have the edge, yet dark horses and underdogs shine from time to time. The most EVERYONE can do is hope for the best but prepare for the worst. That's just how it works.

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    Draws for Trials

    Men's Singles Round-Robin

    Group A: FZD, Ma Te, Quan Kaiyuan, Zheng Peifeng
    Group B: XX, Yan An, Niu Guankai, Lin Shidong
    Group C: ML, Zhou Yu, Xiang Peng, Xue Fei, Hou Yingchao
    Group D: LGY, Fang Bo, Xu Haidong, Wang Bo, Sun Zheng
    Group E: LJK, Yuan Licen, Xu Yingbin, Zeng Beixun
    Group F: WCQ, Liu Dingshuo, Sai Linwei, Zhou Kai
    Group G: Xu Chenhao, Liang Banning, Wang Linglong, Yan Sheng, Huang Youzheng
    Group H: Zhou Qihao, Sun Wen, Yu Ziyang, Zhang Yudong, Chen Hangyu

    Women's Singles Round-Robin

    Group A: CM, Guo Yan, Wang Xiaotong, Yang Huijing, Zhu Sibing
    Group B: SYS, Kuai Man, Zang Xiaotong, Sun Yizhen
    Group C: WMY, Shi Xunyao, Qi Fei, Liu Weishan, Tan Yuxuan
    Group D: ZYL, Zhang Rui, Li Jiayi, Wu Yangchen
    Group E: LSW, Gu Yuting, Huang Yingqi, Guo Yuhan, Xu Yi
    Group F: Wang Yidi, Qian Tianyi, Chen Yi, Wang Chang
    Group G: Chen Xingtong, Sun Mingyang, Fan Siqi, Zhang Chi, Yang Yiyun
    Group H: He Zhuojia, Liu Fei, Liu Ming, Han Feier

    Mixed Doubles Knock-out

    1st Half

    Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen vs Yu Ziyang/Chen Yi
    Zhou Kai/He Zhuojia vs Zhou Yu/Chen Xingtong
    Lin Gaoyuan/Zhang Rui vs Zheng Peifeng/Liu Weishan
    Zhao Zhaoyan/Sun Mingyang vs Wang Chuqin/Wang Manyu

    2nd Half

    Fan Zhendong/Qian Tianyi vs Ma Te/Liu Fei
    Sun Wen/Kuai Man vs Xu Chenhao/Wang Yidi
    Zhou Qihao/Gu Yuting vs Zhu Linfeng/Zhu Yuling
    Xue Fei/Shi Xunyao vs Liang Jingkun/Sun Yingsha

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeio
    Whether something is fair or not to EVERYONE is of no concern to any specific NOC but the IOC and the JOC.

    Most of them are there as also-rans, with or without COVID-19. Major teams always have the edge, yet dark horses and underdogs shine from time to time. The most EVERYONE can do is hope for the best but prepare for the worst. That's just how it works.

    I know, would love to see the games go on, been looking forward to it since 2016 ended and only excited for 1 sport. Living in Melbourne saw Australian Open tennis players and overseas crew locked down in hotel was strict protocols but deemed needed at the time and proved to be effective but also damaging to players, don't think Tokyo games will enforce such a measure to separate athletes.

    I still say it's a major poker game between IOC and Japanese Government to see who cracks first, high stakes, as I mentioned the IOC could be ruined from this and all the time money Japanese put into this, building apartments and delaying handover to purchasers due to delayed games, all this just adds and knowing more likely to not gain money either due to lack or overseas tourists too. ITTF probably also feeling pressure due to all these global events cancelled and sponsorship deals broken and no revenue being made and also trying to look ahead being difficult task too.

    Thats right, teams can only just do their best to prepare and continue to train. Coaches have to do their best to keep that spark alive amongst their team. Could be difficult task in some teams countries that are impacted heavily with Covid cases and some cases teams might lack funds to prepare too due to nothing coming in from cancelled tours. CNT, JNT, Korean teams you would think have all the funding they need but others not so lucky.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Janard
    Draws for Trials

    Men's Singles Round-Robin

    Group A: FZD, Ma Te, Quan Kaiyuan, Zheng Peifeng
    Group B: XX, Yan An, Niu Guankai, Lin Shidong
    Group C: ML, Zhou Yu, Xiang Peng, Xue Fei, Hou Yingchao
    Group D: LGY, Fang Bo, Xu Haidong, Wang Bo, Sun Zheng
    Group E: LJK, Yuan Licen, Xu Yingbin, Zeng Beixun
    Group F: WCQ, Liu Dingshuo, Sai Linwei, Zhou Kai
    Group G: Xu Chenhao, Liang Banning, Wang Linglong, Yan Sheng, Huang Youzheng
    Group H: Zhou Qihao, Sun Wen, Yu Ziyang, Zhang Yudong, Chen Hangyu

    Women's Singles Round-Robin

    Group A: CM, Guo Yan, Wang Xiaotong, Yang Huijing, Zhu Sibing
    Group B: SYS, Kuai Man, Zang Xiaotong, Sun Yizhen
    Group C: WMY, Shi Xunyao, Qi Fei, Liu Weishan, Tan Yuxuan
    Group D: ZYL, Zhang Rui, Li Jiayi, Wu Yangchen
    Group E: LSW, Gu Yuting, Huang Yingqi, Guo Yuhan, Xu Yi
    Group F: Wang Yidi, Qian Tianyi, Chen Yi, Wang Chang
    Group G: Chen Xingtong, Sun Mingyang, Fan Siqi, Zhang Chi, Yang Yiyun
    Group H: He Zhuojia, Liu Fei, Liu Ming, Han Feier

    Mixed Doubles Knock-out

    1st Half

    Xu Xin/Liu Shiwen vs Yu Ziyang/Chen Yi
    Zhou Kai/He Zhuojia vs Zhou Yu/Chen Xingtong
    Lin Gaoyuan/Zhang Rui vs Zheng Peifeng/Liu Weishan
    Zhao Zhaoyan/Sun Mingyang vs Wang Chuqin/Wang Manyu

    2nd Half

    Fan Zhendong/Qian Tianyi vs Ma Te/Liu Fei
    Sun Wen/Kuai Man vs Xu Chenhao/Wang Yidi
    Zhou Qihao/Gu Yuting vs Zhu Linfeng/Zhu Yuling
    Xue Fei/Shi Xunyao vs Liang Jingkun/Sun Yingsha

    Good to see LSW back. Would be a bonus to perform well in XD with XX as you would think it's the big preference going in.

    Teams for games I would say close to finalised. This would be nice lead up for them.


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    Good to see LSW back. Would be a bonus to perform well in XD with XX as you would think it's the big preference going in.

    Teams for games I would say close to finalised. This would be nice lead up for them.

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