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    What exactly does he mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by driversbeat
    With China's lineup for WTTC2020 confirmed, we can safely rule Wang Manyu and Zhu Yuling out of the contention for Tokyo.

    Liu, Chen, Sun, Ding.
    3 out of 4 will go. Who will be left out?

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    My heart says team should be Chen SYS & LSW with DN missing out but head says SYS misses out, hopefully she can impress over next 6 months to go to Tokyo 2020

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    And in Portugal, too ... Janard wrote that they fees .....
    What Janard wrote??

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    Quote Originally Posted by driversbeat
    With China's lineup for WTTC2020 confirmed, we can safely rule Wang Manyu and Zhu Yuling out of the contention for Tokyo.

    Liu, Chen, Sun, Ding.
    3 out of 4 will go. Who will be left out?

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    Agreed. It also pretty much puts WCQ in a driving seat for the P player. LGY is out. LJK not much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaLin2.0
    My heart says team should be Chen SYS & LSW with DN missing out but head says SYS misses out, hopefully she can impress over next 6 months to go to Tokyo 2020
    Welcome on board! But SYS will be the fourth player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaLin2.0
    My heart says team should be Chen SYS & LSW with DN missing out but head says SYS misses out, hopefully she can impress over next 6 months to go to Tokyo 2020
    I think SYS has a very good chance at the 3rd spot. Age is the only thing working against her and given the titles she has won, that is not saying much. For me, the team is DN and LSW with SYS as 3rd player and XD player. Only injuries or a major setback to either LSW or DN will affect this.

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    #47
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    Hey,
    China National Team have didn't register for the Hungaria Open 2020, does anyone know why?
    It clashes with their one month internal prep for the WTTTC in March. Maybe they could have sent their junior team at best, but they usually have an all-hands-on-deck approach when preparing for major TT events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel
    I think SYS has a very good chance at the 3rd spot. Age is the only thing working against her and given the titles she has won, that is not saying much. For me, the team is DN and LSW with SYS as 3rd player and XD player. Only injuries or a major setback to either LSW or DN will affect this.
    Agree, SYS is the more economically-sound option as third person if China decides to go with both DN and LSW. SYS is only 20 y/o this year and can surely last till 2024 which makes her viable for at least two cycles. Considering that the career lifespans of Chinese players have been increasing of late (subject to maintenance of form), 2028 is not out of the question for SYS as well. Meanwhile, CM is already 26 y/o this year and it's unlikely that she will be as competitive at 30 y/o, particularly since her playing style is very physically-demanding. Plus, her lack of any major titles reflects very badly on her when even SYS and WMY have already clinched regional-level titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel
    It clashes with their one month internal prep for the WTTTC in March. Maybe they could have sent their junior team at best, but they usually have an all-hands-on-deck approach when preparing for major TT events.
    Actually based on the timeline that Qin Zhijian had drawn up during the press conference, CNT might be skipping a few more events?

    国乒主力初二出发参加德国公开赛,结束后国乒将在海口集结进行为期一月的封闭训练。之后回到北京休整2~3天,然后去韩国釜山进行赛前训练营,大概一周时间。结束后就直接进入到2020釜山世乒赛的比赛节奏了。所以,国乒主力并没有时间参加匈牙利公开赛了。
    According to him, they will leave for German Open on the second day of Lunar New Year (26 Jan). After the conclusion of German Open (2 Feb), they will head to Haikou for a month-long, closed-door training camp (i.e. entirety of February). Following which, they will take a two/three-days break in Beijing before starting on the WTTTC preparations.

    I suspect Asian Cup (28 Feb-1 Mar) will be held somewhere in Hainan (or even Haikou itself) so that the Chinese candidates (whomever they might be) can make it. From the sounds of it, Qatar Open (3-8 Mar) is either forfeited as well or remains undecided although it's usually a means of ascertaining the results of their training.

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    Agree, SYS is the more economically-sound option as third person if China decides to go with both DN and LSW. SYS is only 20 y/o this year and can surely last till 2024 which makes her viable for at least two cycles. Considering that the career lifespans of Chinese players have been increasing of late (subject to maintenance of form), 2028 is not out of the question for SYS as well. Meanwhile, CM is already 26 y/o this year and it's unlikely that she will be as competitive at 30 y/o, particularly since her playing style is very physically-demanding. Plus, her lack of any major titles reflects very badly on her when even SYS and WMY have already clinched regional-level titles.
    I think if CNT pick DN and LSW, SYS is a shoe-in for third.

    Since the only good reason to pick DN at all, is if they stuck rigidly to their rubric of choosing via big tournament experience/performance. In which case SYS is actually the third most achieved player in recent times anyway, since DN/LSW have taken all the Olympics/World Championships and World Cups off the table.

    If the CNT are getting cold feet, which I think is justified, it would be that DN is probably the only player in the mix that Ito is an actual favourite over right now, rather than just a heavy upset chance. Then, if anything IMO SYS's chances only increase, since she's both the next most achieved (LSW is probably safe) AND she's in good form, unlike DN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hysteresis
    I think if CNT pick DN and LSW, SYS is a shoe-in for third.

    Since the only good reason to pick DN at all, is if they stuck rigidly to their rubric of choosing via big tournament experience/performance. In which case SYS is actually the third most achieved player in recent times anyway, since DN/LSW have taken all the Olympics/World Championships off the table.

    If the CNT are getting cold feet, which I think is justified, it would be that DN is probably the only player in the mix that Ito is an actual favourite over right now, rather than just a heavy upset chance. Then, if anything IMO SYS's chances only increase, since she's both the next most achieved (LSW is probably safe) AND she's in good form, unlike DN.
    The thing about DN is that a lot depends on what they think her health prospects are like. I know her basic style doesn't do well against ITo, but it is not like Ito wins those matches easily. DN is still a beast under the right conditions (whenever she feels a challenge) and when you look at the Trials, she actually performed the best against ZYL (funny but true). For me, I don't doubt she can round into form and deliver under pressure. Ito hasn't beaten her like a drum when they played, it has been close matches decided by close games.

    Whoever is selected will be prepared to the hilt. The main reason I don't see Chen Meng going is that any failure on her part will be hard to excuse. At least there are excuses for Sun Yingsha and Ding Ning.

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    The thing about DN is that a lot depends on what they think her health prospects are like. I know her basic style doesn't do well against ITo, but it is not like Ito wins those matches easily. DN is still a beast under the right conditions (whenever she feels a challenge) and when you look at the Trials, she actually performed the best against ZYL (funny but true). For me, I don't doubt she can round into form and deliver under pressure. Ito hasn't beaten her like a drum when they played, it has been close matches decided by close games.

    Whoever is selected will be prepared to the hilt. The main reason I don't see Chen Meng going is that any failure on her part will be hard to excuse. At least there are excuses for Sun Yingsha and Ding Ning.
    I agree about Chen Meng, I rate her as having almost no chance. If the CNT go by their traditional way of selection, she has 0 case at all.

    If the CNT get cold feet, and care more about form, then I think SYS still has a better case than CM. I doubt they will completely abandon the big event focus for selection, since the Olympics... is a big event. I feel like the CNT views CM similarly to ZYL, even if she is in generally better form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hysteresis
    I agree about Chen Meng, I rate her as having almost no chance. If the CNT go by their traditional way of selection, she has 0 case at all.

    If the CNT get cold feet, and care more about form, then I think SYS still has a better case than CM. I doubt they will completely abandon the big event focus for selection, since the Olympics... is a big event. I feel like the CNT views CM similarly to ZYL, even if she is in generally better form.
    It is really funny what a year/match does - ZYL was the golden Child up till 2017 and was almost a lock for the Olympics in some form following the retirement of LXX. Now she is virtually off the team, probably unfairly. Reality bites. Hard.

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    #54
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    It is really funny what a year/match does - ZYL was the golden Child up till 2017 and was almost a lock for the Olympics in some form following the retirement of LXX. Now she is virtually off the team, probably unfairly. Reality bites. Hard.
    Well, ZYL was really only the 'golden child' because she was the disciple of Li Sun and hence granted more opportunities to play in the semis- and finals of team tournaments (which in her defence she has done well in). But the truth is she has lost the most matches to foreigners and clinched the least number of World Tour titles. Someone on the Chinese forum has compiled an overview of how the core players have performed till date (after Rio to the end of 2019).

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    Ito Mima high on the list :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel
    ....DN is still a beast under the right conditions (whenever she feels a challenge) and when you look at the Trials, she actually performed the best against ZYL (funny but true)...
    ZYL has always had a hard time playing DN, which brings up the next point.

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    It is really funny what a year/match does - ZYL was the golden Child up till 2017 and was almost a lock for the Olympics in some form following the retirement of LXX. Now she is virtually off the team, probably unfairly. Reality bites. Hard.
    She was waiting for DN to retire and then inherit the throne. It really shows in that interview. Many LSW fans have long argued ZYL focused on beating LSW. Who knew Ito would strike out of the blue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takkyu_wa_inochi
    Ito Mima high on the list :-)
    If you look at the years ....

    Hirano - 3 wins, all in 2017
    Ishikawa - 1/2018,1/2019
    Hayata - 1/2019
    Ito - 5/2018,4/2019

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    Well, ZYL was really only the 'golden child' because she was the disciple of Li Sun and hence granted more opportunities to play in the semis- and finals of team tournaments (which in her defence she has done well in). But the truth is she has lost the most matches to foreigners and clinched the least number of World Tour titles. Someone on the Chinese forum has compiled an overview of how the core players have performed till date (after Rio to the end of 2019).

    One name that stands out is Mima on the list, judging by what you mentioned looks like LSW & DN will be doing lot of work to prep against her which looks like certain semi final clash for one of the Chinese girls.

    I'm sure CNT team coaches will make right decisions, not just the players reputations on the line but also the coaches.

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    One point of note when looking at that table.

    Some fans argue the number of loss for LSW is skewed, saying she has been strategically avoiding Ito for much of 2019.

    Check out the draws for:
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    QAT OPN, http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-...ml#/knock-outs
    CHN OPN, http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-...ml#/knock-outs
    JPN OPN, http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-...ml#/knock-outs
    AUT OPN, http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-...ml#/knock-outs

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    KOR OPN, http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-...ml#/knock-outs
    SWE OPN, http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-...ml#/knock-outs

    WTGF, http://results.ittf.bornan.net/ittf-...ml#/knock-outs

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    It’s not like Liu Shiwen was completed wrecked by Ito the two times that she lost. She simply used the wrong tactics and played to Ito’s strengths. I doubt any self-respecting world champion would back down from the opportunity to prove that they are indeed the world’s best.

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