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    #121
    Quote Originally Posted by MaLin2.0
    What are LSW chances of playing in singles at Tokyo 2020 considering?

    1, Mima just added more points with Hungarian Open win
    2, Asian Championships might be further postponed due to virus outbreak
    3, Future events in South Korea, China, Hong Kong possibly in doubt due to virus, so catching Mima in rankings possibility might not happen
    4, Might not get chance to play Mima prior to Tokyo 2020
    5, new rule for Olympics, players in same association will not be separated, surely CNT would prefer their players on opposite ends

    Do you still go with LSW or re-thinking now?


    Now it’s hard to say ....Too many uncertainties ....For example, will WTTTC be postponed or not ...And really 4 months ahead ....
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    3/2020 - Ito 15080 , LSW 14400
    when calculating the ITTF rating for April - Ito has no deductions, LSW - (-1800)
    Even if LSW wins Qatar Open, she will not catch up with Mima Ito ....
    (This does not include WTTTC !)

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    #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad Celler
    Now it’s hard to say ....Too many uncertainties ....For example, will WTTTC be postponed or not ...And really 4 months ahead ....
    ITTF Rating:
    3/2020 - Ito 15080 , LSW 14400
    when calculating the ITTF rating for April - Ito has no deductions, LSW - (-1800)
    Even if LSW wins Qatar Open, she will not catch up with Mima Ito ....
    (This does not include WTTTC !)
    Pretty much CM & SYS at #1 & #2 then, both better record lately against Mima, LSW still unknown against Mima, but coaches decision

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    #123
    Oh,yes....

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    #124
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Size:  19.7 KBLSW withdrew from Qatar Open. Her chance of playing singles is no better than SYS or DN. To me, CM has the upper hand at the moment.

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    #125
    The way it’s going at Qatar Open, the P tplayer is for WCQ’s to lose. LGY is practically out and LJK is hanging on a thread. Would be interesting to see how LJK and WCQ fight it out tomorrow.
    CM looks like a de facto singles player at the moment and SYS the fourth player. LSW and DN will fight for the second spot. If DN beat Ito again, DN will have a upper hand. Have to give credit to DN who keeps fighting on.

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    #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Free bird
    The way it’s going at Qatar Open, the P tplayer is for WCQ’s to lose. LGY is practically out and LJK is hanging on a thread. Would be interesting to see how LJK and WCQ fight it out tomorrow.
    CM looks like a de facto singles player at the moment and SYS the fourth player. LSW and DN will fight for the second spot. If DN beat Ito again, DN will have a upper hand. Have to give credit to DN who keeps fighting on.
    That really does look like the safer option CM & DN rather than LSW

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    #127
    Well, the ink is still wet and DN just handed me a slap in the face. Way to go the queen of hearts

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    #128
    Heard a rumour from my friend, source not reliable, possible opinion

    CM has been told by CNT coaches, win tonight and your going to Tokyo 2020 and we will hold your opinion highly on who should join you, wouldn't be surprised if that is true

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    #129
    Quote Originally Posted by MaLin2.0
    Heard a rumour from my friend, source not reliable, possible opinion

    CM has been told by CNT coaches, win tonight and your going to Tokyo 2020 and we will hold your opinion highly on who should join you, wouldn't be surprised if that is true
    Not the kind of thing you should share since it sounds so obviously unreliable. That said, the quality of the match that Meng plays against Ito will dictate a lot. And I still believe that any of the top Chinese will do better with specific internal preparation. The loss of Ding Ning though was extremely embarassing, especially after her prior win. The 11-0 game and the sheer helplessness against basic combinations - if she had even lost a game prior to the semis, they could have said she wasn't fully healthy etc.

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    #130
    Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel
    Not the kind of thing you should share since it sounds so obviously unreliable. That said, the quality of the match that Meng plays against Ito will dictate a lot. And I still believe that any of the top Chinese will do better with specific internal preparation. The loss of Ding Ning though was extremely embarassing, especially after her prior win. The 11-0 game and the sheer helplessness against basic combinations - if she had even lost a game prior to the semis, they could have said she wasn't fully healthy etc.
    Agree sounds unreliable and you would think very closed environment and CNT would keep cards close to chest too, however I did mention not reliable.

    But could be possible too after seeing Mima take down 2 Chinese girls and others at previous tournaments. Then again could be false I think some possible truth, other CM having an influence on overall coaches decision I doubt that is true.
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    #131
    DN’s loss is reminiscent of ZYL’s devastating loss. ZYL never recovered and Unfortunately the same fate awaits DN. If CM can’t beat Ito tomorrow, LGL’s hair would turn into QZJ’s in no time. The possibility of losing both women’s single and XD gold metals has never been so real.

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    #132
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    DN’s loss is reminiscent of ZYL’s devastating loss. ZYL never recovered and Unfortunately the same fate awaits DN. If CM can’t beat Ito tomorrow, LGL’s hair would turn into QZJ’s in no time. The possibility of losing both women’s single and XD gold metals has never been so real.
    Yeah, lot will depend on how LSW can recover well for XD and still finding right form. Lot of sleepless nights ahead for LGL.
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    #133
    Now the Qatar Open is over, the selection decision should become easier. FZD and ML play singles, XX team and XD, and WCQ is the fourth player. Women: CM and LSW play singles, DN team event, and SYS the fourth player.
    The prediction stated in my first post in this thread is pretty much reinforced so far.
    Wide forehand vulnerability is still XX’s Achilles heel when it comes to singles play. Yes, XX has improved his backhand a lot, but it’s not that trivial to change one’s overall playing style.
    SYS is in kinda slump as of late. Heard she is likely to get a new coach soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Free bird
    Now the Qatar Open is over, the selection decision should become easier. FZD and ML play singles, XX team and XD, and WCQ is the fourth player. Women: CM and LSW play singles, DN team event, and SYS the fourth player.
    The prediction stated in my first post in this thread is pretty much reinforced so far.
    Wide forehand vulnerability is still XX’s Achilles heel when it comes to singles play. Yes, XX has improved his backhand a lot, but it’s not that trivial to change one’s overall playing style.
    SYS is in kinda slump as of late. Heard she is likely to get a new coach soon.
    I agree with you but I would swap CM with DN, I still think that CNT will choose her to play the singles.

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    #135
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    I agree with you but I would swap CM with DN, I still think that CNT will choose her to play the singles.
    You must be a covert Mima fan
    Joking aside, how do you manage to come up with this swap idea after all those happenings at Qatar Open?

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    #136
    The team will revolve around Liu Shiwen. I'm not saying that she will play Singles for sure but she's the only player who is confirmed for the Olympics thus far so the other two players will have to demonstrate some degree of compatibility with her for Doubles. She might not play doubles for all the team matches but she will be counted upon for the more difficult matches for sure.

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    You must be a covert Mima fan
    Joking aside, how do you manage to come up with this swap idea after all those happenings at Qatar Open?
    For the cnt the defeats in the pro tour don't count. Yes DN this time has lost to ito but a mounth ago during german open the result was the opposite. CNT look for result in BIG EVENTS, DN won the OG and 2017 WTTC. Unless she's heavily injuried she will play the tokyo OG. Moreover, the Chinese are convinced that they are superior to all their opponents. Even though ding ning has lost a few times to Ito, the national team coaches are convinced that she will not lose in the olympics. The coaches will give her all the support she needs to win.
    This situation has already occurred in the past with Zhang Jike in OG 2016

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    #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Free bird
    You must be a covert Mima fan
    Joking aside, how do you manage to come up with this swap idea after all those happenings at Qatar Open?
    I wonder what did guys with your arguments thought when DN beat Ito last month? Or what will you think if she beats her once before Olympics?
    If coaches were short sighted like you, their line-up would literally change after every open. The most important one would then be the last tournament before OG/line-up annoucement. Which I'm sure you will agree is bullshit.

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    I wonder what did guys with your arguments thought when DN beat Ito last month? Or what will you think if she beats her once before Olympics?
    If coaches were short sighted like you, their line-up would literally change after every open. The most important one would then be the last tournament before OG/line-up annoucement. Which I'm sure you will agree is bullshit.
    Pretty much this.

    Chances are the singles and XD spots at least have been already decided by the coaching staff weeks or even months ago. They are likely only going to be making adjustments around debilitating injuries, and maybe some wiggle room on team and substitute slots. To only decide who's doing what for an Olympics just a few months before would be wildly irresponsible compared to how the CNT usually approaches these things.

    They are more likely to be working around what, strategically, they should do do beat Ito, rather than who they are going to put up to beat her.

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    #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Hysteresis
    Pretty much this.

    Chances are the singles and XD spots at least have been already decided by the coaching staff weeks or even months ago. They are likely only going to be making adjustments around debilitating injuries, and maybe some wiggle room on team and substitute slots. To only decide who's doing what for an Olympics just a few months before would be wildly irresponsible compared to how the CNT usually approaches these things.

    They are more likely to be working around what, strategically, they should do do beat Ito, rather than who they are going to put up to beat her.
    You have an opinion on how the team will look like for Tokyo games?

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