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As far as I know from previous iterations, the invitees for Asian Cup are the i) defending champion; ii) reigning Asian Champion (from Asian Championships); iii) top 10 players from the January ITTF Ranking List; iv) four Regional Representatives, one each from South Asia, South East Asia, West Asia and Middle Asia. However, there is a cap of two players per association unless the third player from the same association is a 'wild card'.

For some reason on the ATTU webpage, they have invited the reigning World Champions instead for this year?
 
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It is curious who will come from Japan (WS) ... Ishikawa and Hirano really again?

Sorry ... I see ... No. 3 Ito, No. 5 Ishikawa ...
 
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CTTA: Shit, we've gotta raise the ranking of ML and LSW. Let's ben...ahem, change the rules. We're in charge of ATTU and China is the host this time as well. That means China First! It's just 1 extra line. We'll spin a story and the sheeple won't even notice!

http://attu.org/en/news/1051
In each of the men’s and women’s events, the defending champion, followed by the reigning world champion, the winner of the most recent Asian Championships then by the top nine players from the January 2020 world rankings qualify. Representatives from the regions of South Asia, South East Asia, Middle Asia and West Asia plus a “wild card” complete the list.

However, a national association may only field a maximum of two players in each of the men’s and women’s events; thus even though last September, Xu Xin emerged successful at the ITTF-ATTU 2019 Asian Championships in Yogyakarta, he is not eligible.

The exact same scenario applies in the women’s event to compatriot Sun Yingsha, the winner in Yogyakarta but the name that lines up alongside Sun Yingsha is Liu Shiwen, the 2019 World champion.
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Records in sight and there is one player who whatever happens cannot be caught; no player can match the number of bronze medals won by Japan’s Kasumi Ishikawa.

In 2007 in Hanoi, when only 14 years old she finished in third place, she did the same in 2013 in Hong Kong and then on the most recent three occasions in Ahmedabad and Yokohama.
 
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Indeed, China can quite easily raise the ITTF LSW rating, higher than Ito ....Moreover, having six players in the top 10 ...I even think that the task is set to lower ITO to fifth place (before the beginning of Tokyo 2020)..And this China may well do ....
 
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http://www.attu.org/en/resource_handbook
https://web.archive.org/web/20200108110137/http://www.attu.org/en/resource_handbook
> Rules and Regulations for Asian Championships, Asian Cup Tournament and Asian Junior Championships
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> Asian Cup

Authority for Organization
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2.5 Seeding of Players and System of Play

Any changes in the system of play, recommended by the Technical and Umpire Committee, are required to be approved by the Executive Committee.

(2.5.1) Participation in the event shall be limited to 16 men and 16 women for the men's event and women's event respectively.

(2.5.2) The list of eligible players, which shall include holder of the Asian Cup, singles champion of the immediate preceding Asian Championships and four Regional Representatives of ATTU, shall be drawn up by the Technical and Umpire Committee of ATTU according to the latest ITTF Ranking List when the prospectus of the Asian Cup is published. The host Association shall be entitled to 2 players each in the men’s and women’s event. There shall be a maximum of 2 players from an Association unless a third player is invited as a “wild card”.

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Well, at least Ito vs ZYL or LSW are both worth watching. The self-proclaimed "good for nothing" needs to redeem herself (especially after defeating team-mates who have all won their most recent encounters with Ito) while the World Champion needs this win to secure her Olympics Singles slot.
 
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Ito has no particular motivation here ....For the rating, only victory makes sense, a maximum of 360 points ....She has beaten both Chinese women more than once ....:eek:
 
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Ito has no particular motivation here ....For the rating, only victory makes sense, a maximum of 360 points ....She has beaten both Chinese women more than once ....:eek:

Umm, Ito is most motivated when playing Chinese players, especially the top-tier ones. That's why she is sometimes pushed to the brink of defeat by non-Chinese players – her sights (the entire JNT's rather judging by the number of times Chūgoku is repeated in their videos which is actually problematic in various ways) are only set on the Chinese. Also, it's Olympics year. Everyone wants an extensive winning record going into the big game.
 
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Umm, Ito is most motivated when playing Chinese players, especially the top-tier ones. That's why she is sometimes pushed to the brink of defeat by non-Chinese players – her sights (the entire JNT's rather judging by the number of times Chūgoku is repeated in their videos which is actually problematic in various ways) are only set on the Chinese. Also, it's Olympics year. Everyone wants an extensive winning record going into the big game.

In any case, of course, I wish Ito to win this tournament! Happiness and good luck to her!
 
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http://attu.org/en/news/1053
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10th January, 2020

New Format for 2020 Asian Cup

Following a decision of the ATTU Executive Board Meeting held in Yogyakarta in September 2019, the 2020 Asian Cup will take on a slightly different format. To raise the level of attention and play, it was decided to include the current World Champion to the list of invitees. Also, the competition will be played in a single stage knock-out system instead of the previous adopted two-stage round-robin group and knock-out system. The reason of the change is to make the Asian Cup more exciting and attractive to the fans. ATTU Executive Board agreed to review this system after 2020 and decide if the system will be followed in the future.



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http://attu.org/en/news/1053

New Format for 2020 Asian Cup

Following a decision of the ATTU Executive Board Meeting held in Yogyakarta in September 2019, the 2020 Asian Cup will take on a slightly different format. To raise the level of attention and play, it was decided to include the current World Champion to the list of invitees. Also, the competition will be played in a single stage knock-out system instead of the previous adopted two-stage round-robin group and knock-out system. The reason of the change is to make the Asian Cup more exciting and attractive to the fans. ATTU Executive Board agreed to review this system after 2020 and decide if the system will be followed in the future.
 
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http://attu.org/en/news/1053

New Format for 2020 Asian Cup

Following a decision of the ATTU Executive Board Meeting held in Yogyakarta in September 2019, the 2020 Asian Cup will take on a slightly different format. To raise the level of attention and play, it was decided to include the current World Champion to the list of invitees. Also, the competition will be played in a single stage knock-out system instead of the previous adopted two-stage round-robin group and knock-out system. The reason of the change is to make the Asian Cup more exciting and attractive to the fans. ATTU Executive Board agreed to review this system after 2020 and decide if the system will be followed in the future.

Just my thoughts on the new format:
1. Luck in the first round draw plays a bigger role in determining if you qualify for World Cup. Because the format is a single-elimination knockout, one bad match and you're out, so it's less forgiving as compared to the group round-robin format where you can still qualify for the World Cup despite losing 2 group matches. You generally have to be in the Top 8 of the Asian Cup to qualify for the World Cup, so it means that if you lose in the First Round, you won't qualify no matter how high your WR is.

The Europe Top 16 used to have two stages like the old format of the Asian Cup with the first stage being a group round-robin, but it changed to the straight knockout format 2 years ago. In the 2019 Europe Cup, No. 4 seed Pitchford lost in the first round and didn't qualify for the World Cup because of that. He drew and lost to Gauzy who was the highest-ranked player among those seeded 9-16, so it was definitely a tougher draw for him as compared to other possible draws in the 9-16 seed range like Lionel Weber for example. No. 2 seed Falck, who struggles against choppers, also lost in the first round because he drew Gionis. He wouldn't be in the World Cup either had he not gotten the Wild Card for being runner-up in the WTTC.

In the end, there will be a lot on the line even as early as the first round since the first round winners will likely qualify for the World Cup, so I guess ATTU succeeded in making the tournament more interesting as people will be interested not just in the later rounds but even in the first round.

2. Will there still be separation by National association? The old Asian Cup format usually separated players from the same country in both the group stage and the knockout draw. However, if the Asian Cup follows the format of the Europe Top 16, there won't be any separation by National Association. In the 2019 Europe Cup, Dima and Timo met in the SF. Does this mean that on the Women's side, the Zhu Yuling and Liu Shiwen could be drawn in the same half given Ito is currently WR No. 3? If it's true that there's no separation by country, it may give CTTA more reason to replace Zhu Yuling with either SYS or Chen Meng and hope LSW can overtake Ito in WR by February to ensure the Chinese Women are drawn in different halves.

CTTA replaced Xu Xin, who was initially invited due to a higher WR, with Ma Long in last year's Asian Cup, so I won't be surprised if CTTA modifies the lineup for this year's Asian Cup as well to increase its chances of not only winning the Asian Cup but the Women's World Cup.
 
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So how will seeding be done? According to the latest ITTF current rating? It is clear that if China does not make a replacement, it will be Ito, LSW, ZYL and (FT ?)....
 
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So how will seeding be done? According to the latest ITTF current rating? It is clear that if China does not make a replacement, it will be Ito, LSW, ZYL and (FT ?)....

Yup, same as the usual tournaments. The latest WR list, which is the Feb. 2020 WR, will determine seeding. After doing the math, if China sends LSW and ZYL, Ito won't fall below the 2nd seed in February. Even if Ito loses in the first round of the German Open and ZYL and LSW get Champion and runner-up respectively, there's no way for Zhu to overtake Ito in WR by February because her Hungarian Open 2019 points (where she was runner-up) will expire by Feb. 2020.

If there's no separation by association in the Asian Cup and China doesn't change its lineup, there's a 50% chance of the two Chinese women meeting as early as the SF. This is why I have a strong feeling that China will replace ZYL in the Asian Cup. That and she doesn't have a great record vs Ito.

Ito and the two Chinese women should be locked as the Top 3 seeds (Order to be determined when Feb WR is released.) The more interesting race is really between Feng Tianwei, Ishikawa, and Cheng I-Ching for the 4th seed. We'll know the result after the German Open.
 
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Umm, Ito is most motivated when playing Chinese players, especially the top-tier ones. That's why she is sometimes pushed to the brink of defeat by non-Chinese players – her sights (the entire JNT's rather judging by the number of times Chūgoku is repeated in their videos which is actually problematic in various ways) are only set on the Chinese. Also, it's Olympics year. Everyone wants an extensive winning record going into the big game.

Question for you, Japan have already announced their team, other countries havent formally announced but we have an Idea, CNT big question marks because of depth the team has.

If your a coach both men's and ladies, have your made your mind up already on who your sending of do you see how players perform over next 6 months to make a decision? Is the decision obvious right now for you?
 
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