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    千葉県は、これまで県内で新型コロナウイルスへの感染が確認された人のうち3人が、千葉県市川市にある同じスポーツクラブを利用していたと発表しました。クラブの利用者や従業員、およそ600人を対象に健康観察などを行うことにしています。

    3 people got the virus in Chiba prefecture. They got it because they all went to the same (private) sports club (around 600 members). I've stopped playing TT for a week already.



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    A local TV station just aired a program reporting on the situation in Japan and how the government is beyond clueless, and here I thought HK was bad compared to Macau...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeio
    A local TV station just aired a program reporting on the situation in Japan and how the government is beyond clueless, and here I thought HK was bad compared to Macau...
    Is the situation in HK considered "bad"? The numbers don't seem to be rising much no?

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    Australian tt clubs have now issued a notificaton for incoming players.

    Wiping Hands on Tables

    This habit is FROWNED UPON. It can be interpreted as a delaying tactic slowing down the game, but the result of wiping your hands on the table is the transfer of disease. You do not know who has wiped their hands on the table before you. After each 6 points played, players are allowed to towel down which includes wiping your hands on a towel. Please DO NOT wipe your hands on the tables because apart from the disease side of it, you are leaving OIL on the table which will cause the ball to slip/slide on the oily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janard
    Is the situation in HK considered "bad"? The numbers don't seem to be rising much no?



    It's better than expected thanks to this pundit who scared the shit out of people so they have been wearing a mask, but people are still in panic mode and were stocking up like crazy until last week.

    https://news.mingpao.com/ins/%E6%B8%...B0%81%E3%80%8D
    ...香港大學微生物學系講座教授袁國勇今早出席港台節目時表示,港府今次因應韓國疫情採取的措施較為果斷,因韓國疫情已開始少許失控,確診數量幾何級數上升。

    袁國勇稱,除了政府推出內地封關措施較遲外,其餘措施基本上實際及跟隨科學。他以新加坡為例,稱當地人口比香港少,約有500多萬,確診個案較本港多,不過即使新加坡沒有實施什麼防疫措施,確診病例亦不似武漢般急升。

    袁國勇解釋,因新加坡天氣較熱,病毒在環境生存時間較短,加上人體免疫系統反應在暖和天氣會有不同,而且當地確診患者病情不嚴重;相反韓國現時天氣仍寒冷,疫情已開始少許失控,確診數量幾何級數上升,當地教會更出現超級傳播者,亦無法隔離所有密切接觸者,所以港府「無辦法唔封」。

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    I can confirm that the government is completely clueless. Abe still spends most of his time thinking about his olympics instead of the health of his citizens

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    WE DO REMEMBER THE YEAR 1918
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
    It took 18 months for the deadly Influenza infection to had expired. Presently, we have got things not in the least easier.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-_NCP_1603.jpg

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    Does warmer climate help quell this virus ? Cases are popping everywhere in Korea. World cup also postponed !! Atleast govt has been honest with the numbers and real time monitoring. One thing is sure that this virus is extremely contagious. Attending a big church for few hours got many hundreds infected. Clearly it spreads extremely effectively in air as well as through human fecal matter. Humans as a race should have been better prepared for this. Weren't we making plans to go to Mars ??

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    #129
    Quote Originally Posted by drunix80
    Does warmer climate help quell this virus ? Cases are popping everywhere in Korea. World cup also postponed !! Atleast govt has been honest with the numbers and real time monitoring. One thing is sure that this virus is extremely contagious. Attending a big church for few hours got many hundreds infected. Clearly it spreads extremely effectively in air as well as through human fecal matter. Humans as a race should have been better prepared for this. Weren't we making plans to go to Mars ??
    Eating sauerkraut a lot and pork lard a lot is to reinforce your immunity of viruses a lot. Bawarians (Germans) and Russians would never die from flu.

    /Be happy/

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    Well Igor, you are full of crap.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5077104/ (article from Russian scientists)

    Part of the reason Russian Federation has a high influenza rate is because of low rates of vaccination. See this article from Russian press. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/...problem-a63017

    Also cases of measles in Russia have jumped a lot.

    Normally I wouldn't care much about what happens in Russia except that Russian bots are sending lots of misinformation to other countries trying to discourage people from getting vaccinated. Undoubtedly this will continue even after we have a vaccine for this particular coronavirus.

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    The prevention concepts Baal champions such as NOT doing your 4 mile jog through the hospital sick ward, washing ur hands with soap and water, and washing ur smelly feet go a long way towards not getting sick.

    So does the concept of a strong immune system. Even Igor is right about the powerful prevention power of a strong immune system.

    We make the arguement (a convincing one) that medicines and procedures developed in modern times have saved a LOT of lives.

    It is also true in USA that around 1/4 million die annually in USA per John Hopkins study from medical mistakes, 100,000 of these from wrong dose, wrong type of medicine, or it simply killed.

    That is a large number that ought to cause people to pay very close attention to what is going on if you are in a hospital. You as an individual should have the largest incentive to ensure mistakes are not made.

    That large number dying every year in my own country should be a 100x more strong concern, but it never is it seems so to me.

    Our advances come with risks and costs that should be understood and managed.

    The largest damage we see from corona virus is the oxidative reaction damage in the respiratory system. 0.2g+ Ascorbic Acid per kg weight daily is proven to reverse this. Very helpful to do this as early as possible when it is known you have virus.

    There is also a very effective treatment for sepsis. Same drill, much better to start treatment early on when known. This treatment is very inexpensive. Very east to administer, very safe.

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    Do you have a link to a study that proves your vitamin C statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunix80
    Does warmer climate help quell this virus ? Cases are popping everywhere in Korea.
    Only seems to be particularly effective in Indonesia it seems. Bat eating continues, has seen lots of (Chinese) tourists but still zero cases. Must be all the tempeh and babi guling in their diet!

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    Do you have a link to a study that proves your vitamin C statement?
    Here is just one, there are so many, but you do not see widespread adoption of vita C treatment. There are some obvious reasons that would be suitable to discuss in another space.

    The references show a lot more documentation.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583
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    My local doctor prescribes us Vitamin C for regular flu. Its cheap and we have a lot of it at home.

    Also, my wife bought some kind of medical equipment with a belt and cushions you attach around your belly or your back. It heats up your internal organs and also sends up some (ultrasound ?) waves.
    Placebo or not ? i find it incredibly effective. When I am coughing, having a sore throat i.e. flu / virus like symptoms, i just attach it for 20mns or more and cover myself in an electric heating blanket and i feel much much better.

    taking hot baths, or going to spa/sauna (sento) instead of just taking a shower makes a lot of difference as well.

    Don't get cold.

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    regarding TT, it must be one of the most dangerous activities these days

    Today 3 people in Japan got the virus, they were from the same sports club (600 members), which has been shut down.

    In TT, you always pick up balls which has touched by other's people sweaty hands. The same people wipe off their sweats on the table or walls...and you do the same and contaminate each other. Needless to say, changing rooms and showers and public toilets are great places to get the virus as well

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    Vitamin C for preventing and treating the common cold.

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    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) for preventing and treating the common cold has been a subject of controversy for 70 years.
    OBJECTIVES:

    To find out whether vitamin C reduces the incidence, the duration or severity of the common cold when used either as a continuous regular supplementation every day or as a therapy at the onset of cold symptoms.
    SEARCH METHODS:

    We searched CENTRAL 2012, Issue 11, MEDLINE (1966 to November week 3, 2012), EMBASE (1990 to November 2012), CINAHL (January 2010 to November 2012), LILACS (January 2010 to November 2012) and Web of Science (January 2010 to November 2012). We also searched the U.S. National Institutes of Health trials register and WHO ICTRP on 29 November 2012.
    SELECTION CRITERIA:

    We excluded trials which used less than 0.2 g per day of vitamin C and trials without a placebo comparison. We restricted our review to placebo-controlled trials.
    DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS:

    Two review authors independently extracted data. We assessed 'incidence' of colds during regular supplementation as the proportion of participants experiencing one or more colds during the study period. 'Duration' was the mean number of days of illness of cold episodes.
    MAIN RESULTS:

    Twenty-nine trial comparisons involving 11,306 participants contributed to the meta-analysis on the risk ratio (RR) of developing a cold whilst taking vitamin C regularly over the study period. In the general community trials involving 10,708 participants, the pooled RR was 0.97 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.94 to 1.00). Five trials involving a total of 598 marathon runners, skiers and soldiers on subarctic exercises yielded a pooled RR of 0.48 (95% CI 0.35 to 0.64).Thirty-one comparisons examined the effect of regular vitamin C on common cold duration (9745 episodes). In adults the duration of colds was reduced by 8% (3% to 12%) and in children by 14% (7% to 21%). In children, 1 to 2 g/day vitamin C shortened colds by 18%. The severity of colds was also reduced by regular vitamin C administration.Seven comparisons examined the effect of therapeutic vitamin C (3249 episodes). No consistent effect of vitamin C was seen on the duration or severity of colds in the therapeutic trials.The majority of included trials were randomised, double-blind trials. The exclusion of trials that were either not randomised or not double-blind had no effect on the conclusions.
    AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS:

    The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the general population indicates that routine vitamin C supplementation is not justified, yet vitamin C may be useful for people exposed to brief periods of severe physical exercise. Regular supplementation trials have shown that vitamin C reduces the duration of colds, but this was not replicated in the few therapeutic trials that have been carried out. Nevertheless, given the consistent effect of vitamin C on the duration and severity of colds in the regular supplementation studies, and the low cost and safety, it may be worthwhile for common cold patients to test on an individual basis whether therapeutic vitamin C is beneficial for them. Further therapeutic RCTs are warranted.



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    The most effective way of not getting confirmed COVID-19 infection is moving to a country that does not test for it.

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    https://apnews.com/58043910be7bdc6818344bdee2096bc2
    TOKYO (AP) — A senior member of the International Olympic Committee said Tuesday that if it proves too dangerous to hold the Olympics in Tokyo this summer because of the coronavirus outbreak, organizers are more likely to cancel it altogether than to postpone or move it.


    Dick Pound, a former Canadian swimming champion who has been on the IOC since 1978, making him its longest-serving member, estimated there is a three-month window — perhaps a two-month one — to decide the fate of the Tokyo Olympics, meaning a decision could be put off until late May.


    “In and around that time, I’d say folks are going to have to ask: ‘Is this under sufficient control that we can be confident about going to Tokyo or not?’” he said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press.


    As the games draw near, he said, “a lot of things have to start happening. You’ve got to start ramping up your security, your food, the Olympic Village, the hotels. The media folks will be in there building their studios.”


    If the IOC decides the games cannot go forward as scheduled in Tokyo, “you’re probably looking at a cancellation,” he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baal
    Vitamin C for preventing and treating the common cold.

    Hemilä H1, Chalker E.
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    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) for preventing and treating the common cold has been a subject of controversy for 70 years.
    OBJECTIVES:

    To find out whether vitamin C reduces the incidence, the duration or severity of the common cold when used either as a continuous regular supplementation every day or as a therapy at the onset of cold symptoms.
    SEARCH METHODS:

    We searched CENTRAL 2012, Issue 11, MEDLINE (1966 to November week 3, 2012), EMBASE (1990 to November 2012), CINAHL (January 2010 to November 2012), LILACS (January 2010 to November 2012) and Web of Science (January 2010 to November 2012). We also searched the U.S. National Institutes of Health trials register and WHO ICTRP on 29 November 2012.
    SELECTION CRITERIA:

    We excluded trials which used less than 0.2 g per day of vitamin C and trials without a placebo comparison. We restricted our review to placebo-controlled trials.
    DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS:

    Two review authors independently extracted data. We assessed 'incidence' of colds during regular supplementation as the proportion of participants experiencing one or more colds during the study period. 'Duration' was the mean number of days of illness of cold episodes.
    MAIN RESULTS:

    Twenty-nine trial comparisons involving 11,306 participants contributed to the meta-analysis on the risk ratio (RR) of developing a cold whilst taking vitamin C regularly over the study period. In the general community trials involving 10,708 participants, the pooled RR was 0.97 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.94 to 1.00). Five trials involving a total of 598 marathon runners, skiers and soldiers on subarctic exercises yielded a pooled RR of 0.48 (95% CI 0.35 to 0.64).Thirty-one comparisons examined the effect of regular vitamin C on common cold duration (9745 episodes). In adults the duration of colds was reduced by 8% (3% to 12%) and in children by 14% (7% to 21%). In children, 1 to 2 g/day vitamin C shortened colds by 18%. The severity of colds was also reduced by regular vitamin C administration.Seven comparisons examined the effect of therapeutic vitamin C (3249 episodes). No consistent effect of vitamin C was seen on the duration or severity of colds in the therapeutic trials.The majority of included trials were randomised, double-blind trials. The exclusion of trials that were either not randomised or not double-blind had no effect on the conclusions.
    AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS:

    The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the general population indicates that routine vitamin C supplementation is not justified, yet vitamin C may be useful for people exposed to brief periods of severe physical exercise. Regular supplementation trials have shown that vitamin C reduces the duration of colds, but this was not replicated in the few therapeutic trials that have been carried out. Nevertheless, given the consistent effect of vitamin C on the duration and severity of colds in the regular supplementation studies, and the low cost and safety, it may be worthwhile for common cold patients to test on an individual basis whether therapeutic vitamin C is beneficial for them. Further therapeutic RCTs are warranted.



    But a cold and flu are not quite the same...

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    The Seasonal Flu virus kills 600 000 people worldwide every year. And somewhow the world is good with that and takes it as normal. Tell somebody that their is a Flu arround and you'll get "argh, ok, no problem."
    But give it a strange new name and its the panic that would kill the world, not the virus, the virus would kill a few.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/flu-bi...dlines/5701932

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