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      Darko Jorgic - Fastest backhand ever?

      I have been watching some of Darko's matches recently and have become so impressed with his rocket backhand. It's just incredible. I don't think any player has got a more powerful b/h right now.

      It's also cool that his style of play is open and great fun to watch. I predict he will be #1 in Europe and top 10 in the world very soon. Any thoughts?
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      I wouldn't say best BH. It sure is among the most powerful BH but the consistency is lacking and is not very refined.

      It's fun to watch him rip out a rocket shot with his BH but I honestly don't know how far a good BH can take you. It was somewhat odd to see him pivoting to use BH against a chopper instead of a FH loop.

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      Sorry, Kreanga's and Kara's bh are still better.

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      Quote Originally Posted by yogi_bear View Post
      Sorry, Kreanga's and Kara's bh are still better.
      You mean you saw this match and concluded that without hesitation? Seriously?

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      Agree. his BH one of best in a world for sure.

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      Or, here:

      Quote Originally Posted by piligrim View Post
      Agree. his BH one of best in a world for sure.
      Does he say BEST EVER. Or does he say he thinks it is one of the best today?

      How about here:

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      It's funny. How many times more will need to say that nobody said Jorgic has best BH ever
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      Can you actually read?

      By the way, a straw man is a fictional character you have made up to argue against who cannot argue back because he does not exist who has taken extreme positions that are easily argued against.

      The only position I have stated is that you and a few others are arguing against a position THAT NOBODY IS TAKING. So, the idea that you said I am the straw man either means you don't understand the term. Or that you are just trying to argue to argue.

      But to me, it does not look like NL or Pilgrim said BEST EVER.

      So I will repeat this post since you clearly either do not read, or cannot comprehend:

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      It's funny. How many times more will need to say that nobody said Jorgic has best BH ever
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      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      Or, here:



      Does he say BEST EVER. Or does he say he thinks it is one of the best today?
      You interpret different users posts very differently. I know NL is your buddy and that is crystal clear since you've never ever questioned a single post of his on here. You know what that does to your own image as a forum member?

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      Quote Originally Posted by RidTheKid View Post
      You interpret different users posts very differently. I know NL is your buddy and that is crystal clear since you've never ever questioned a single post of his on here. You know what that does to your own image as a forum member?

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      You do need to learn how to read.

      What did NL mean here:

      Quote Originally Posted by RidTheKid View Post
      Both piligrim and NL seems to think it, see first page, NL's post no 10. Even zeio chime in. You're the straw man atm Carl
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      You know better since I have posted extensively.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RidTheKid View Post
      You interpret different users posts very differently.
      Two of the people you claim said Best Ever, Clearly, after I asked, SAID THEY DID NOT.

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      I know NL is your buddy and that is crystal clear since you've never ever questioned a single post of his on here. You know what that does to your own image as a forum member?
      This is you trying another douche bag low blow remark.

      NextLevel is not claiming you said something you did not or I would do the same to him.

      In fact, In this thread, when he dismissed saying Ma Long had the best BH ever, I EXPLAINED the main points you made all that time ago and said you argued it in a way that was valid:

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      My memory was, the stance was something like this: his consistency has become quite amazing. He can go BH to BH against anyone and will win more of those points than he will lose.

      So, the argument had some foundation even if you don't agree with the premise. It still does depend on what you think a BH is for. So it goes back to how there can be many arguments for different versions of best BH.

      I just don't think we need to get pulled into the clickbait trap of best. Best for what. Best for consistency? Then it is quite a good point actually.
      That was me making a comment that went against something NL said IN THIS THREAD, and NL took it and moved on.

      But you can't F---ing admit that you have misinterpreted two people who clearly stated they never said what you say they said. And you make comments like, the one about me never question a post from him.

      You just don't frickin' read or understand what you read. That is on you. I know English is not your first language. But if you are so stubbornly sticking to a stance that is clearly wrong and hurling insults, first about my dead wife and my dating life, and then about how I never go up against NL when I have even in this thread.....well it just shows that when you get backed into a corner and you are wrong you act like a low life.

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      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      Two of the people you claim said Best Ever, Clearly, after I asked, SAID THEY DID NOT.



      This is you trying another douche bag low blow remark.

      NextLevel is not claiming you said something you did not or I would do the same to him.

      In fact, In this thread, when he dismissed saying Ma Long had the best BH ever, I EXPLAINED the main points you made all that time ago and said you argued it in a way that was valid:



      That was me making a comment that went against something NL said IN THIS THREAD, and NL took it and moved on.

      But you can't F---ing admit that you have misinterpreted two people who clearly stated they never said what you say they said. And you make comments like, the one about me never question a post from him.

      You just don't frickin' read or understand what you read. That is on you. I know English is not your first language. But if you are so stubbornly sticking to a stance that is clearly wrong and hurling insults, first about my dead wife and my dating life, and then about how I never go up against NL when I have even in this thread.....well it just shows that when you get backed into a corner and you are wrong you act like a low life.
      I haven't written one word about your wife.

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      Since I like BH oriented players I am carrefully observing Jorgic progress and he did great job with his footwork and FH.
      His BH is great, reminds me of Kreanga, kind of old fashioned with full arm extend but now also very good punches.
      His receive is there and if he keeps progressing there is no question for top 10, it is just the matter od time.

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      Just gonna leave this here:


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      Quote Originally Posted by lVegita View Post
      Just gonna leave this here:

      First - its not A Match
      Second - far away from the sharpness of the Jorgic BH

      I really haven't seen such a confident sharp BH retrieve against a chopper and I do admire it.

      And as I don't like playing with choppers, Jorgic is providing me a grate portion of joy.

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      btw Jovic use tb zlc + mxp if I consider sound.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MJB999 View Post
      I have been watching some of Darko's matches recently and have become so impressed with his rocket backhand. It's just incredible. I don't think any player has got a more powerful b/h right now.

      It's also cool that his style of play is open and great fun to watch. I predict he will be #1 in Europe and top 10 in the world very soon. Any thoughts?
      Calderano, Fan Zhendong and Liang Jingkun all have ridiculously powerful backhands as well. All that said, I think playing a chopper and running round your forehand to use your backhand speaks for itself. No top player does that on a regular basis.

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      Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel View Post
      Calderano, Fan Zhendong and Liang Jingkun all have ridiculously powerful backhands as well. All that said, I think playing a chopper and running round your forehand to use your backhand speaks for itself. No top player does that on a regular basis.
      I see Nexts point. However, it could be argued that this would have been useful (bh ts has different spin, trajectory etc) making the defenders job harder, IF Jorgic's bh was consistent enough. It isnt. Which is probably why we come back to Nextlevels point, the reason top players dont do it - because it is not stable/reliable/consistent enough.

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      Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel View Post
      Calderano, Fan Zhendong and Liang Jingkun all have ridiculously powerful backhands as well. All that said, I think playing a chopper and running round your forehand to use your backhand speaks for itself. No top player does that on a regular basis.
      And Zhang Zhike, Dima & Franz, I'd add to the list as well. Just different styles. Not so much that ripping of an FZDozer.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jedimasterplk View Post
      I see Nexts point. However, it could be argued that this would have been useful (bh ts has different spin, trajectory etc) making the defenders job harder, IF Jorgic's bh was consistent enough. It isnt. Which is probably why we come back to Nextlevels point, the reason top players dont do it - because it is not stable/reliable/consistent enough.
      If you think it wasn't consistent enough, let me know what match you were watching. What he did was IMO borderline supernatural with the quality of the defender and if you count the backhand winners, they have to be up there in the % totals.

      Everyone can have their own opinion on whether his backhand is the greatest. But like I said, post me a match where a top player runs around his forehand repeatedly to play and score points on the backhand. Anyone who says he wasn't consistent enough just didn't watch the match. Seriously.

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      Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel View Post
      If you think it wasn't consistent enough, let me know what match you were watching. What he did was IMO borderline supernatural with the quality of the defender and if you count the backhand winners, they have to be up there in the % totals.

      Everyone can have their own opinion on whether his backhand is the greatest. But like I said, post me a match where a top player runs around his forehand repeatedly to play and score points on the backhand. Anyone who says he wasn't consistent enough just didn't watch the match. Seriously.
      I am not disputing your point at all Next. But what I am saying is that good as that bh is, it still is inconsistent to be called the best of all time. It might get there, probably will. Just not yet. The final with Timo Boll - highlighted the inconsistency with the bh.

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