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    Chinese alternative for ESN Tensor ?

    Hi guys,

    Now my FH rubber is broken (pimples broken off after 2,5 years of use) I am looking for a good cheap (probably Chinese) alternative for a Tensor !

    I was playing with an Andro Revo Fire 1,7 mm and played with a Tibhar Nimbus 2 mm also from time to time (i got this from a friend, and gave it away to somebody of my team).

    In the past I have already tried some alternatives :

    2,1 mm Yinhe Galaxy Sun (this was supposed to be a Chinese rubber with built in glue effect, marketed as an alternative to Tenergy 25, but i found it to be really lacking in spin, speed was also not at all special for this thickness, no good feeling of control either), conclusion : not even close to an ESN Tensor, no speed glue sound at all

    Friendship 729-2 sensor 1,8 mm (this was also marketed as a Chinese rubber with built in glue effect, good spin, medium speed and sponge too hard, i would guess 47, i tried to boost it but the sponge stayed very hard, overall good rubber but not an alternative to a Tensor, no speed glue sound )

    Dawei Sprungfeder A2 1,8 mm (good speed and spin, but very hard sponge and no glue effect at all, could be better with booster, but i never tried)

    Palio Drunken Dragon (2,1 mm , has a GP sponge, also marketed as having a tensioned sponge, good speed and spin but again , not the Tensor feel at all)

    I am thinking of trying one of the following rubbers (that are more recently developed and should have more of the Tensor feel) :

    KTL Red Diamond
    Giant Dragon Topenergy Soft
    Gambler Outlaw
    CTT National Hero
    Friendship Focus 3 Snipe
    Palio Hadou Biotech (or other Palio Biotech rubbers)
    Xushaofa LSZ 2

    Does anybody know one of these rubbers , and is there a Chinese rubber that comes close to a Tensor (i like the higher than average catapult speed and heavy spin that can be generated with a Tensor, i dont like the price of about 40€ for these ESN products !)

    Greetings from Belgium !
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    I'm surprised you didn't try DHS rubbers...
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    Sorry if I cant resist to post even though I cant really help you
    But 2,5 years of use and your complaining about 40€, that is 1.3 € per month.. so its nearly nothing, if it's 40€ for 2,5 months i could understand it but if your happy with these rubbers i would not even think about changing it if the fuss is all about 5 or 10 € a year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vega
    Sorry if I cant resist to post even though I cant really help you
    But 2,5 years of use and your complaining about 40€, that is 1.3 € per month.. so its nearly nothing, if it's 40€ for 2,5 months i could understand it but if your happy with these rubbers i would not even think about changing it if the fuss is all about 5 or 10 € a year!
    I understand your point, but dont forget that if there seems to be a good alternative for these Tensors , everybody on this forum can save some cash.
    I am just against the principle of spending 40€ on a piece of rubber that costs 0,5 to 2€ to make ! Also i know a lot of young players that now play with an expensive rubber for too long , just because they can't afford to give 80€ on a new pair. If a GOOD alternative is found it means a lot to these youngsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillypong
    I understand your point, but dont forget that if there seems to be a good alternative for these Tensors , everybody on this forum can save some cash.
    I am just against the principle of spending 40€ on a piece of rubber that costs 0,5 to 2€ to make ! Also i know a lot of young players that now play with an expensive rubber for too long , just because they can't afford to give 80€ on a new pair. If a GOOD alternative is found it means a lot to these youngsters.
    yes, it might not cost a lot to MAKE the rubbers... But to invent them and all the testing and marketing costs a LOT. That is the reason why it costs a lot.

    And also I would like to add that Chinese rubbers doesn't last nearly as long as European rubbers like Tenergy, Calibra, Coppa and Hexer. You will have to change them more often, so in the end you will end up spending just as much money on new rubbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders
    yes, it might not cost a lot to MAKE the rubbers... But to invent them and all the testing and marketing costs a LOT. That is the reason why it costs a lot.

    And also I would like to add that Chinese rubbers doesn't last nearly as long as European rubbers like Tenergy, Calibra, Coppa and Hexer. You will have to change them more often, so in the end you will end up spending just as much money on new rubbers
    Everybody who plays with Chinese rubbers say these last longer than the tensors, i really have not seen or read (on other forums) anybody claiming the opposite (i think Anders has very little experience with Chinese rubbers, i remember my first 729 FX lasting really very long !)

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillypong
    Everybody who plays with Chinese rubbers say these last longer than the tensors, i really have not seen or read (on other forums) anybody claiming the opposite (i think Anders has very little experience with Chinese rubbers, i remember my first 729 FX lasting really very long !)
    I have not so much eperience with chinese rubbers, but I have used them before. And my experience told me that the chinese rubber had to be changed a week before the euro-rubber every time. The high quality rubbers like Tenergy and Calibra or so, ofc. With the less quality euro rubbers, it is about the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders
    I have not so much eperience with chinese rubbers, but I have used them before. And my experience told me that the chinese rubber had to be changed a week before the euro-rubber every time. The high quality rubbers like Tenergy and Calibra or so, ofc. With the less quality euro rubbers, it is about the same
    But of course, I practise every day, 2-3 times a day. About 20-30 hours per week. So if a rubber weares out fast for me, it will last average for a player that don't practise so much. If a rubber lasts long for me (a month or so) it will last long for anyone. Long lasting rubbers are Tenergy, Boost and Calibra. Middle lasting rubbers are Coppa and Hexer. But, this is my experience with such rubbers. You will in the end have to make up your own mind about this
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    I think my TG 2 lost half of the tacky after a month or two. As I can notice a great reduce of spin in my serve. However, if you like me just not so care about it, it probably can last for you for another 3-6 months. But if you plan to play competitive, then you may consider to change the rubber once before the match, and maybe every two month during training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dici
    I think my TG 2 lost half of the tacky after a month or two. As I can notice a great reduce of spin in my serve. However, if you like me just not so care about it, it probably can last for you for another 3-6 months. But if you plan to play competitive, then you may consider to change the rubber once before the match, and maybe every two month during training.
    Have you tried the trick with WD40 to get most of the spin back in your TG2 rubber ? Just spread a small amount (1 spray of 0,5 second) of WD40 on your top sheet and rub it in with your finger gently. Maybe a second time and then after an hour waiting your spin should be back in the rubber ! Try it and give some feedback please !

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    I suggest you use some booster or paraffin liquid. i've tried it and that was a great result especially on 729's ES sponges. i applied 4-5 layers. great catapult effect

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    So nobody has a suggestion on a good Chinese alternative to ESN Tensors ? I mean a rubber that plays similarly (without using booster). In the first post i mention some possible candidates.

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    I would like to nominate the KTL Red Diamond
    GFoT |Blade : Timo Boll ALC • FH : DHS Hurricane 3 Provincial MAX • BH : Tenergy 64 MAX
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    KTL Red Diamond - Is a medium rubber if memory serves. It's not that great for durability though in my opinion as I've seen players at the club buy new sheets every 1-2 months with casual play.
    Giant Dragon Topenergy Soft - Has a softer feel obviously, but has a nice sound to it. This and Tai Chi Hard are great rubbers if you're looking for that SG Sound.
    Gambler Outlaw - If you want a speed glue rubber don't try this. It's got some okay speed and spin, but doesn't boost for long, it's great the first time, but after it dies. It doesn't last that long either, but as an all around rubber it's not bad.
    CTT National Hero - I've only ever tried it once, but it wasn't that bad. I would guess boosting it would be really nice.
    Friendship Focus 3 Snipe - a softer rubber has a nice pop to it, but doesn't really have much spin. It's great for the BH shots, but I wouldn't suggest it for the FH unless you have a shorter stroke
    Palio Hadou Biotech (or other Palio Biotech rubbers) - Haven't tried Palio yet.
    Xushaofa LSZ 2 - Haven't tried this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders
    yes, it might not cost a lot to MAKE the rubbers... But to invent them and all the testing and marketing costs a LOT. That is the reason why it costs a lot.

    And also I would like to add that Chinese rubbers doesn't last nearly as long as European rubbers like Tenergy, Calibra, Coppa and Hexer. You will have to change them more often, so in the end you will end up spending just as much money on new rubbers
    I think that the chinese rubber last much longer than the tensors, the tensors loose their effect after about 2-3 month and then you pay a bunch load of money for another one. I bought a 12 dollar chinese rubber a year ago and still performs new. Tensors are good for somethings but if you get a quality chinese rubber it will last along time.
    Not saying you're wrong but I'm just posting my opinion based on my experiences.

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    you should have try DHS rubber

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    to me, in terms of durability DHS Tin Arc 3 was a great surprise, not losing grip for 2 years (1 year sitting in the drawer though...). Its not like a modern tensor, the feeling is similar to first generation tensors, very similar to Tenergy 05. I expect the plain tin arc, and the gold arc series would be similar. Gold Arc is a bit harder, faster.

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