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    Thumbs up How to Play Like Ma Long: Secrets to Chinese Coaching (Not Clickbait)

    장우진/張禹珍/JANG Woojin
    1 FH Topspin
    I was unsure if Chinese players really use their wrist like this and I used my wrist like this...I found Chinese players, like Ma-Long uses their wrist like that.

    2 BH
    I did not have the right concept of backhand topspin before but a Chinese coach had taught me this kind of training method.

    3 Footwork
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    5 Service Attack
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    7 3rd-Ball Attack
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    8 Short Balls and Flicks[/size]
    https://youtu.be/9xuq3GZdzHU
    9 First Attack
    https://youtu.be/6vvzymU88yY
    10 Counter Topspin
    https://youtu.be/ibplXCoy5k8

    임종훈/林鐘勲/LIM Jonghoon
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    8th May 2020

    ATTU "Aim for the Stars" Coaching Videos while in lockdown

    ATTU wishes that everyone is staying safe and healthy during these difficult times of the covid-19 pandemic.

    While most countries have some form of lockdown ATTU “Aim for the Stars” would like to provide some motivation and inspiration for you by sending you short weekly coaching videos, produced jointly by ATTU “Aim for the Stars”, and Korean Table Tennis Association[KTTA].

    Special thanks to LEE Jongsan, coordinating the project from KTTA side, and RYU Seung Min, KTTA President, ITTF Executive Vice President, IOC Member for his strong support of the project.

    LEE Jongsan is the Korean National Junior Coach and led the Korean Teams at the last 2 Asian Junior Championships and World Junior Championships, and was going to be Head Coach for the ATTU “Aim for the Stars” SouthEast Asia Training Camp in Thailand in April before the postponement due to covid-19.

    We look forward to him leading camps for us when the lockdown ends.

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    The first episode could be visited here:

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    Please feel free to distribute widely amongst your table tennis community.

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    I think Waldner does the thumb shift for the bh.

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    Of course everybody has another way of doing but I find his drill-tips quite valuable.

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    Well, he is saying that "Ma Long uses his wrist up/left motion at the contact of the ball".
    I think it is false, at least it depends on what kind of ball you want to do. I only do this motion when I want to add some "side spin" to the ball.
    Watch Ma Long loop motion :

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    These are excellent videos! Thanks!

    In the video posted above, Ma Long is using his wrist as he loops. Jang Woojin is exaggerating a bit in his demonstration to let people see how the wrist moves clearly, but Ma Long definitely has a wristy type loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightspin
    These are excellent videos! Thanks!

    In the video posted above, Ma Long is using his wrist as he loops. Jang Woojin is exaggerating a bit in his demonstration to let people see how the wrist moves clearly, but Ma Long definitely has a wristy type loop.
    100% agreed, ML has wristy type of loop but not very apparent IMHO. But you want to see some more apparent one, I'd say you should watch some slow mo by ZJK or LGY
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    Thread updated with episode 3 on footwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightspin
    These are excellent videos! Thanks!

    In the video posted above, Ma Long is using his wrist as he loops. Jang Woojin is exaggerating a bit in his demonstration to let people see how the wrist moves clearly, but Ma Long definitely has a wristy type loop.
    The "wrist movement" comes from the loosening of the wrist before the impact then the pressure/tightening of the fingers on the blade at ball impact.
    You have to do as the Chinese coach shows in the last video posted by zeio, Jang Woojin is exaggerating too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidzhang
    The "wrist movement" comes from the loosening of the wrist before the impact then the pressure/tightening of the fingers on the blade at ball impact.
    You have to do as the Chinese coach shows in the last video posted by zeio, Jang Woojin is exaggerating too much.
    If you watch Ma Long in matches, especially when he is counterlooping cross court, it is very hard to say that Jang Woojin is exaggerating. I once told a friend that Ma Long uses more wrist than Timo Boll when looping. He thought I was joking but when he looked closely, he saw what I meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NextLevel
    If you watch Ma Long in matches, especially when he is counterlooping cross court, it is very hard to say that Jang Woojin is exaggerating. I once told a friend that Ma Long uses more wrist than Timo Boll when looping. He thought I was joking but when he looked closely, he saw what I meant.
    I use my wrist like that only when I want to make the ball goes sideway or to bring back a ball shot on the far side of my forehand. The rest of the time my wrist does that movement but not that much as shown by Jang Woojin. I think he said that in the video just to tell people to use the wrist in their shots.
    At 0:16, first forehand with a soft wrist movement following by a forehand with an accentuated wrist movement.

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    Thread updated with episode 4 on receiving.

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    Episodes 5 and 6 are up. Daesong on opening the point and Sangsu on service.

    I prefer to use my forehand topspin on the FH side and use my backhand topspin on the BH side. With this attacking concopet, I do not have to move a lot.
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    Episode 7 on serve and attack by Sangsu.

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    I think professional players choose different move of their wrist on every coming ball from curve trajectory and at this level they training to choose the best option in every situation, some players have own limits and this is the biggest reason why Asian players are the best.
    They dont have limits in fitness ability as footwork, wrist movement, knee or hip rotation+ they work very hard so their body has more muscle pressure and they fight with own problems to be in best fit condition
    I think the biggest limit in table tennis is reading game and work on mental attitude. This is the reason why Timo, Waldner or Schlager, Dima, Primorac had chance to beat Asian players.

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    Really nice videos.

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    Really amazing videos. It’s so useful to hear these pro players share what they really think about their own strokes, their philosophy and their own tips to improve table tennis skills. Really great. No disrespect but it’s a whole level beyond most youtube coaches. These players are very straight to the points and some of the tips that they share, I rarely find from other coaches.

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    Episode 8 on the short game by An Jaehyun, at long last!

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    Episodes 9 and 10 on making the first move and counterlooping respectively. An Jaehyun getting so much screen time!

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    The use of the wrist is to generate more spin, it adds some power, but really it’s for spin.
    power is produced primarily by the hip and chest turn and weight transfer (for a right handed player) weight is transferred from the right leg to the left as the hips and chest turn back towards the incoming ball, the forearm then adds more power and speed and finally the wrist flicks or snaps up (in line with the bat angle) which adds more speed to the bat at point of impact. More bat speed (in line with the bat angle) equals more spin especially when brushing the ball. More spin equals more quality and control to the shot.
    faster hip and chest turn , faster forearm = more power = more ball speed
    faster flick or snap of the wrist = extra spin.

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