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      Please suggest a backhand rubber with less catapult effect than Rakza 7 soft

      Hi, I know it's the technique, not the rubber, but maybe some rubbers are easier to use when working on a certain technique? I just got a chance to get some group coaching sessions and we are working on the backhand topspin against backspin - I have a very hard time lifting the ball with the Yasaka Shining/Rising Dragon setup which I have now. I tried Rakza 7 soft on the backhand, but then I just cannot adapt to that springy catapult feeling in the short game. Does such thing exist - a softer rubber to easier lift the ball while developing my backhand but with no catapult? I also tried Xiom Vega Europe and the legendary Mark V - still too much bounce. Shining dragon actually feels so great on every shot I try to make except lifting the ball from underspin. Thanks a lot for your thoughts in advance!
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      You would get used to the catapult pretty quickly, at least I did with xiom vega x which is faster then those rubbers you have named, and I was coming of a premade Donic shildkrot racket which is very slow. You should decide for yourself, but I think it's not that hard to get used to a little bit faster setup.

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      Vega X 2.0mm or Vega Pro 2.0mm.

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      Quote Originally Posted by yogi_bear View Post
      Vega X 2.0mm or Vega Pro 2.0mm.

      He said Mark V was too bounce. No way he will like Vega X or Vega Pro

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      Keep either the Shining or Rising Dragon on the FH for the short game and go with the new Rakza Z on the BH at 2.0 for backspin openers?

      The sensation of tacky rubbers is totally different and once you get used to it, it takes time to switch to grippy rubbers.
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      Wow, zeio, that sounds very interesting - Rakza Z according to the reviews is not a typical tensor rubber but more a hybrid type?! And I definitely will keep a Yasaka Shining Dragon on the forehand.

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      Quote Originally Posted by piligrim View Post
      He said Mark V was too bounce. No way he will like Vega X or Vega Pro
      I did not see the Mark V. If he has problems controlling Mark V then he needs a slower rubber like a Chinese rubber that is not too tacky. The problem here is technique and level.

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      Thanks everybody, I forgot about the "beginner's" tensor rubbers - I have found a sheet of Xiom Vega Intro - will use it on the backhand and will keep Yasaka Shining Dragon on the forehand.

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      Using Nittaku Factive on my BH. Low cattapult and fits your requirement

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      Vega Intro and Stiga DNA Future M are still faster than Mark V but you can go ahead and just take the 2.0mm versions and just try to learn using them.
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      Revspin reviews for Nittaku Factive sound amazing for my purpose. And the EJ bug is still strong within me - tt11 has a special discount for rakza Z so I just ordered both the Z and Factive to try both in 2 mm.

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      Quote Originally Posted by doppelganger_LT View Post
      Revspin reviews for Nittaku Factive sound amazing for my purpose. And the EJ bug is still strong within me - tt11 has a special discount for rakza Z so I just ordered both the Z and Factive to try both in 2 mm.

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      Once you get to play with the rubbers sufficiently, please post your opinion. I am curious on how they play and feel. Some of the Revspin.net reviews don't provide much details or not very helpful. Thanks a lot in advance.

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      Absolutely! Just keep in mind that I am a beginner/intermediate player. Although now that I have a group of 12 people and a coach to train and play with, I can really test the rubbers, not like when I was testing just against the robot. We have a few choppers and some quite heavy hitters, so quite a variety of players. I'm among the weakest in the bunch, usually keeping in the game just because of my serves - I had no one to play against, so I was honing my serving skills with 150 balls for about an hour every day for a few months


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      Once you get to play with the rubbers sufficiently, please post your opinion. I am curious on how they play and feel. Some of the Revspin.net reviews don't provide much details or not very helpful. Thanks a lot in advance.

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      Some random dude testing Rakza Z Extra Hard and Rakza Z on MLin Extra Special and Reinforce AC. Apparently can't tame the beast.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqnEcan71o8

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      Quote Originally Posted by zeio View Post
      Some random dude testing Rakza Z Extra Hard and Rakza Z on MLin Extra Special and Reinforce AC. Apparently can't tame the beast.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqnEcan71o8

      Is that how he characterizes the Rakza Z? Or just a commentary on the video

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      Ya, he couldn't get his shots to curve down when playing on MLin Extra Special. At 3:50 or so, he points out that the trajectory is so high, actually even higher than the Rising Dragon that he's using, which took him by surprise. At 4:46, he says he couldn't hit in a straight line with Rakza Z, not even with a flat drive. At 6:57, the on-screen caption reads "Jintaku who can't stop hitting long", then he says he's never hit the net once during filming. At 7:34, he points out it is different from Chinese rubbers and is a brand-new feeling.

      OTOH, Reinforce AC actually fits him better, coming from a guy who "always goes back to all-wood after trying various composite." It overturns his understanding of composite, especially carbon that flies straight. This setup feels closer to the Rising Dragon.

      "Straight trajectory of carbon x super trajectory of Rakza Z is a good match!"
      "Curved trajectory of all-wood x super trajectory of Rakza Z is an overspecced trajectory!"

      At the end of the day, it feels different from Chinese rubbers, with a shadow of Tensor, yet with the grip unique to tacky rubbers.
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      I have both Rakza Z rubbers and I find the arc really good and not having problems with control. I used it in a Yasaka Ma Lin Soft Carbon and I think the soft blade combo did a great job adding control.

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      Quote Originally Posted by zeio View Post
      Ya, he couldn't get his shots to curve down when playing on MLin Extra Special. At 3:50 or so, he points out that the trajectory is so high, actually even higher than the Rising Dragon that he's using, which took him by surprise. At 4:46, he says he couldn't hit in a straight line with Rakza Z, not even with a flat drive. At 6:57, the on-screen caption reads "Jintaku who can't stop hitting long", then he says he's never hit the net once during filming. At 7:34, he points out it is different from Chinese rubbers and is a brand-new feeling.

      OTOH, Reinforce AC actually fits him better, coming from a guy who "always goes back to all-wood after trying various composite." It overturns his understanding of composite, especially carbon that flies straight. This setup feels closer to the Rising Dragon.

      "Straight trajectory of carbon x super trajectory of Rakza Z is a good match!"
      "Curved trajectory of all-wood x super trajectory of Rakza Z is an overspecced trajectory!"

      At the end of the day, it feels different from Chinese rubbers, with a shadow of Tensor, yet with the grip unique to tacky rubbers.
      I like that even as a Yasaka sponsored player he doesn't go up and just start spewing nothing but positives. Makes it feel like a more genuine review.

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      Jin is an interesting case.

      He explains that he'd been a Yasaka user even before he became sponsored and turned pro, how he switched from double Rakza X on MLin Extra Special to Rising Dragon on the BH after losing to JYS 0-4 in Australian Open 2018 where he got destroyed in BH rallies, then he started looking into the "usage of racket" seriously after playing ML in Korean Open 2019, where he gained an insight into how ML handled various shots effortlessly with double H3, and then he finally decided to switch to double Rising Dragon after losing to Sun Wen in Australian Open 2019.
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      I’ve been looking for a low catapult but spinny rubber for BH myself. I use Hurricane on FH, but I don’t want the weight of double Hurricane. I’ve settled on Friendship Focus 3 Snipe. Linear, so soft shots are short (minimal catapult) and can generate the spin to open on BH from backspin. BH flicks are great with it too. Another option might be Sanwei Taiji Plus, which is a bit softer but still pretty linear.

      Both of these are low on the tacky scale. If you want a tacky one (regardless of the added weight), Galaxy Moon Pro can generate phenonemal spin and is soft and speedy enough for BH IMO.

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