Why are there restrictions for pips out rubbers?

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Still waiting for Carly to profess hiz profound respect and brotherly love for Brother Larry and hiz contribution... that would really shine.

I stopped at coaching malpractice haha.

we can both be coaches. Carly being a coach to coach (or sell) his new federation love (or religion rather), and try not getting blacklisted in doing so.
Or me and my gang (including Olympians) to coach the next generation and further on.

Talking about generations, one of the girls joining - is the "1st" 2 generation student. Mom was a student of the head coach, and now comes the daughter too.



 
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Way too late for that as I have been blacklisted 23 years ago as soon as I started exposing the 1998 Durban Aspect Ratio reduction corruption.. I also have been begging USATT ever since to put me on their banned players list (they actually have one) but they really hurt my feelings not giving me that high honor

Simply because a rubber was used by an Olympian by no means makes it the best possible (long pips) available rubber to use in the 40+ plastic ball era. I realize stable High AR rubbers were not available only recently but f you care about their future as you repeatedly claim here, then low AR rubbers is not the correct option. That is why I said it is highly unethiclal for a coach to not give a student all their available options and let them choose the best option they prefer and not politically severely limited long pips on the ITTF LARC. If you are hiding the existence and availability of high aspect ratio super long pips from your (young) students that is highly unethical. Of course you can refuse to coach any student that does not submit to IITF's oppressive rules & its long pips on its LARC , then that is a completely different issue & I perfectly understand.

Obviously you missed the fact that the primary mission objective of https://WdTTF.com which is NOT to produce ONLY PRO athletes for corrupt associations like ITTF & IOC with totally corrupt rules & in total violation of Olympic ideals also shoves down the rules designed for professional players down tha throat of amateur players with an one size fits all approach
https://WdTTF.com rules are customized for 4 different playing segments of TT playing propulation > youth, all ages, veterans & para

Carly.
I don't really read your whole post.
Do you retype it / different texts, or is it a copy and paste all the time?

 
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Obviously you missed the fact that the primary mission objective of https://WdTTF.com which is NOT to produce ONLY PRO athletes for corrupt associations like ITTF & IOC with totally corrupt rules & in total violation of Olympic ideals also shoves down the rules designed for professional players down tha throat of amateur players with an one size fits all approach
https://WdTTF.com rules are customized for 4 different playing segments of TT playing propulation > youth, all ages, veterans & para

Ave, the website looks sketchy as heck... I am not sure whether you are a troll or whether this is a serious organisation, and you are plugging by making controversial posts. If you are for real with this organisation and intend to have any success with modern generation, please invest time or money in a better website, because of of the Gen Y+ (maybe even X) will get the heck out of that site, because it is extremely suspicious. It reminds me of scams from the 90s.

(not saying that this org is a scam, just saying that this website is extremely suspicious)

 
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Ave, the website looks sketchy as heck... I am not sure whether you are a troll or whether this is a serious organisation, and you are plugging by making controversial posts. If you are for real with this organisation and intend to have any success with modern generation, please invest time or money in a better website, because of of the Gen Y+ (maybe even X) will get the heck out of that site, because it is extremely suspicious. It reminds me of scams from the 90s.

(not saying that this org is a scam, just saying that this website is extremely suspicious)

Don't be so mean, his website is still "work in progress" (he told me that in one of his essays). Maybe it is work in progress now for the past 23 years

 
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Shhhheh The secret is out. Yes https://WdTTF.com is indeed a big scam . You caught them.

In USA. I have been to some Italian or Mexican restaurants just to try. Very expensive & usually the place is empty I just could not figure out how but the place has been in business for years..

Then it dawned on me. It is pretty simple. These places are just money laundering operations for Mexican & South American drug cartels or Russian / Italian / Japanese etc mobs & gangs

So this is how the idea of https://WdTTF.com was born. They contacted Putin via Igor and offered a way to launder the money of Putin & other oligarchs into US Banks.

So what http://WdTTF.com rally does on the outside is actually offer everything free , Free Websites, Free club memberships, Free Ratings Processing , Free Coaching Certification etc. But on the inside when they file taxes, they claim fake income from these sources which is actually a way to launder money for Putin. & other oligarchs

You are truly brilliant & busted the scheme.

PS :- Please keep posting your wildly entertaining conspiracy theories about https://WdTTF.com
That way I can keep responding pluggng in https://WdTTF.com . Of course I am aware of the fact that only a very very small % players will see the facts about ITTF & https://WdTTF.com and start supporting https://WdTTF.com eventually . I know it will take years but help from people like you (& many other poster here) who actually promote https://WdTTF.com with venomous negative hateful entertainment. I am sure t will be OK in the end. Thank you.

Jesus f.... Did you even read the post I wrote? TL;DR I you want a better road to success. Make a proper website. This looks suspicious.

 
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If your intenntions are not malice then I apologize.
We can get into design discussions as to what is a prope website but as I said they said still under construction

Also why exactly is the website suspicous (or a scam) ? Can you elaborate ?

If you are web designer & work for free you can always contribute
This website does is just a wall of text with a bunch of random colors everywhere. It does not serve information in very clear way. For example, safe boosting does not seem to be explained anywhere.

I have no time nor intention to help this cause. These days you might have issues getting served for free.

THAT BEING SAID, you should check services like squarespace.com. You should be able to use some of their stuff to produce a website that will not scare people.

 
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8 new girls formally joined (6 been training with the team for past 3 years already)

of the 8, 4 are pips players. 2 long pip choppers as I mentioned before. and 2 more short pip attacking players.


update,
7 players joined (1 ended up going academic class, and not sport team class)

of the 7, 5 is pips (not 4, my mistake last time)
1 long pip modern defender chopper
1 short pip modern defender chopper
3 short pip bh offensive players

That is grade 10 players

grade 11 pip players has
1 short pip fh, long pip bh blocker/attacking player
1 long pip bh blocker/attacking player

So, out of 17 players in the team, 7 are pip players.
Pips is very alive in Asia, especially in the female game.

 
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7 players joined (1 ended up going academic class, and not sport team class)

of the 7, 5 is pips (not 4, my mistake last time)
1 long pip modern defender chopper
1 short pip modern defender chopper
3 short pip bh offensive players

That is grade 10 players

grade 11 pip players has
1 short pip fh, long pip bh blocker/attacking player
1 long pip bh blocker/attacking player

So, out of 17 players in the team, 7 are pip players.
Pips is very alive in Asia, especially in the female game.

Goodness me! There are more pimples in your team than on my face🤣! And that’s saying a LOT!
you are doing wonders for the diversity of TT.

 
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Goodness me! There are more pimples in your team than on my face🤣! And that’s saying a LOT!
you are doing wonders for the diversity of TT.


Then you have good skin!!!

No it isn't me. In our team, I'm just the camera man and ball picker.
we are literately in the end of the feeding system.
So all credits to the coaches in the earlier parts of such feeding system.

SP attacker has been alive for years, LP blocker/chopper is a lot newer compared to when I was still a kid.
Such trends are not the same in Europe/West. Maybe because the same age players, the Western kids have a lot more power than the Asian counterpart. I'm not sure. Or maybe they prefer more allround blade than limited on the BH side.
 
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No it isn't me. In our team, I'm just the camera man and ball picker.
we are literately in the end of the feeding system.
So all credits to the coaches in the earlier parts of such feeding system.

SP attacker has been alive for years, LP blocker/chopper is a lot newer compared to when I was still a kid.
Such trends are not the same in Europe/West. Maybe because the same age players, the Western kids have a lot more power than the Asian counterpart. I'm not sure. Or maybe they prefer more allround blade than limited on the BH side.
Yeah, about that….
I sort of meant the individual pimples on the rubbers🤣
in short, I have a lot of pimples
But isn’t it easier to loop backspin with tacky rubbers, so the chopping style wouldn’t be so functional in Asia?

 
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Yeah, about that….
I sort of meant the individual pimples on the rubbers🤣
in short, I have a lot of pimples
But isn’t it easier to loop backspin with tacky rubbers, so the chopping style wouldn’t be so functional in Asia?

For adults yes, for younger players you don't have that much power, it still works until a certain age.
Male side, you get a lot less choppers for the same reason, just that the power factor is much earlier

Loop backspin is easy for kids too, but a non assaulting loop is of no use if you want to go far and beyond.
And for you to pimple your way in for points, most times, the same players you beat when younger would get hold and beat you.

 
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On a previous post, I asked for some advice on which LP/MP rubbers to buy, for coaching purposes, replies were few!!
For 100 Euros bulk purchase, you should be able to buy the 10 most popular Long pips / medium Pips on Ali Express or Ali Baba or many smaller dealers ?
For 200 Euros you should be able to buy most of them

 
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On a previous post, I asked for some advice on which LP/MP rubbers to buy, for coaching purposes, replies were few!!
As a wanna be coach ( done 1/2 the Session level course, covid stopped finishing it ) in the real grass roots world, where beginners and local league players are the norm. It would be wrong not to coach how to play v LP and disruptive effects.
Also, it would be good to get some more players actually using SP/MP/LP because these options may be the best ones for them as these players don’t want to be a Pro.

I guess with Carly and his long posts, I missed your questions.

MP/LP
Dawei 388D-1
Yinhe Neptune Pro (I don't think this is available outside China, but there is a Pro 4 or 5 coming that should be for the west)
729 (Friendship) 755

These are so low cost pips that won't break your arm or leg.
If you have more money go TSP/Victas (same company now)

SP
TSP has very good short pips and used by many high level players
729 (Friendship) 802-40 is also popular.

Butterfly also has good pips and I am not that familiar with the European pip specialist makers, I believe you will get more info out of the European members than me.

 
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The famous Janaham rubber featuring ultra slim pimples-out.
 
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It is crazy that this stigma still exist today.
Let´s be honest as a spectator how much rallys do you get in a match maybe 5 awesome ones,and the rest are mainly mistakes or 3rd to fift ball killshots or errors (not to mention return mistakes etc).
They made a lot of changes to TT cause of TV,and the viewer who wants to celebrate a Killshot.
Same as Dunks in Baskettball.
I couldn´t stand the stigma way back then "material Player",against the "Proper" Inverted Attacking player.
Or That is how it supposed to be played,how many good defenders you all guessed they drove away cause of that.
And let´s be honest a good defensive player is probaly faster and hast more reflexes than an average attacker.
You know how hard it is to bring back some of those powerspins?
But the Attacker has to be rewarded while the defender is boring,cause it looks like he does more.
And they achieved their goal,how many shakheand attackers ar under the top100,so i make an assumption and say its HARDER to play defense than attacking with double inverted.
Sonn there will only be shakehand attacker or new Penhold BH attacker styles and there is a lot o variation lost in the game.
 
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It is crazy that this stigma still exist today.
Let´s be honest as a spectator how much rallys do you get in a match maybe 5 awesome ones,and the rest are mainly mistakes or 3rd to fift ball killshots or errors (not to mention return mistakes etc).
They made a lot of changes to TT cause of TV,and the viewer who wants to celebrate a Killshot.
Same as Dunks in Baskettball.
I couldn´t stand the stigma way back then "material Player",against the "Proper" Inverted Attacking player.
Or That is how it supposed to be played,how many good defenders you all guessed they drove away cause of that.
And let´s be honest a good defensive player is probaly faster and hast more reflexes than an average attacker.
You know how hard it is to bring back some of those powerspins?
But the Attacker has to be rewarded while the defender is boring,cause it looks like he does more.
And they achieved their goal,how many shakheand attackers ar under the top100,so i make an assumption and say its HARDER to play defense than attacking with double inverted.
Sonn there will only be shakehand attacker or new Penhold BH attacker styles and there is a lot o variation lost in the game.

and to make it even worse, they have decided the new WTT viewing angle is the correct way to make things exciting.

 
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The 1998 Aspect Ratio rule change had a lot to do with why Liu Gouliang retired not too long after the rule went into effect. That particular aspect ratio rule made the pips LGL used no longer legal.
FYI the Durban 1998 Aspect Ratio Reduction Regulation Massacre was ONE & ONLY about the Aspect Ratio of "Long Pips" not "Short Pips".
The regulation reduced the maximum allowed aspect ratio of long pips from 1.3 down to 1.1 starting in 1999

Durban 1998 Aspect Ratio Reduction Regulation Massacre had nothing to do with the short pips that Liu Guoliang. was using
Liu Guoliang won the World singles title in 1999
The maximum allowed Aspect Ratio of short pips is & was & always have been 0.89 before and after 1998.

However what ITTF wanted everyone to believe was that with the 2004 Pip Density Reduction Regulation they were reducing the maximum allowed pip density from 50 pips per sq.cm down to 30 pips per sq.com because of Short Pips used by Liu Guoliang. But it was actually strike 2 (as they say in baseball) against long pips (strike 1 was Durban 1998 Aspect Ratio Reduction Regulation Massacre). The reduction in pip density more severely affected the back spin capability of long pips , because the more pip density, higher the back spin production capability & lesser pip density will reduce back spin in addition the reduction back spin already crated by the Durban 1998 Aspect Ratio Reduction Regulation Massacre. Yes it does effect the top spin capability of Liu Guoliang as well but not as significantly as it effected long pips and this is difficult to visualize & comprehend for even players who understand how much more backspin long pips can create compared to short pips but it is much much more harder to comprehend for players living the delusional fantasyland of Ding Song, Hou Yingchao, Han Ying, Hitomi Sato etc


Of course the strike 3 (Out) was the 2008 Frictionless Pips Ban

Two more factors
1. All of the 3 above items were based on 0% technical merits but based purely 100% on politics. (I have discussed this 100s pf times over the years and won’t get into that again here
2. I am not going to get into other 4 rule & regulation changes since 1983 that partially limited pips on top of this 3 changes . I won’t discuss it here

I hope this partially answers the OPs question “Why are there so many restrictions on pips” but I am not going to give the primary reason why as I have discussed that over & over 100s of times over the years.

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I plead to ITTF to ban all long pips & anti to release & set free all of ITTF's political prisoners (choppers / defenders)

 
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It is crazy that this stigma still exist today.
Let´s be honest as a spectator how much rallys do you get in a match maybe 5 awesome ones,and the rest are mainly mistakes or 3rd to fift ball killshots or errors (not to mention return mistakes etc).
They made a lot of changes to TT cause of TV,and the viewer who wants to celebrate a Killshot.
Same as Dunks in Baskettball.
I couldn´t stand the stigma way back then "material Player",against the "Proper" Inverted Attacking player.
Or That is how it supposed to be played,how many good defenders you all guessed they drove away cause of that.
And let´s be honest a good defensive player is probaly faster and hast more reflexes than an average attacker.
You know how hard it is to bring back some of those powerspins?
But the Attacker has to be rewarded while the defender is boring,cause it looks like he does more.
And they achieved their goal,how many shakheand attackers ar under the top100,so i make an assumption and say its HARDER to play defense than attacking with double inverted.
Sonn there will only be shakehand attacker or new Penhold BH attacker styles and there is a lot o variation lost in the game.

LOL just saw that, well Stéphane Ouaiche has proven you wrong vs Marcos Freitas, a really inspired player can do ANYTHING with inverted rubbers, still believe choppers uses LP because it's way more easy to use and deceptive, chopping isn't that physical: you're far from the table, you've got way much time to react, therefore the cardio isn't that high. To me the less physical to the most style of playing is that list:
1- blockers, tha's why you see elders mostly playing that style
2- choppers
3- all out attackers, requires way more speed and a really short reaction time, plus a perfect technique to handle fast spinny rubbers in any situation.

 
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