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      Lightbulb A rubber between MX-P and EL-S

      Hi all

      I use a 7 ply blade with Limba surface, and am looking for rubbers.

      Having tried both MX-P and EL-S, the following is what I found.

      MXP 47degree
      - Liked the direct angle, disliked the high speed and (low) durability.

      ELS 45degree
      - Liked the spin and stability, but disliked the average speed and above-average throw angle.

      Is there a rubber that is between the two?
      Direct like the MX-P, and spinny and stable like EL-S?
      Good durability and manageable speed are what Im looking for too.

      I found MX-S a little too hard for backhand, EL-P too soft for anything, T05fx a little too much catapult (and expensive of cuz...)

      Will Vega X/ Hexer PowerGrip/ Victas Extra/ O7Asia/ Rakza Z be any good? Though I worry O7Asia/Rakza Z to be too hard.

      Im open to suggestions.


      Many thanks in advance
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      Quite a difficult search profile.

      I can only recommend you give Rasanter R48 a try.

      The hardness is nominally on MX-P level, but it plays softer.

      Spin is better than anything I have ever tried.

      Whether you´d like how it plays I can´t say.

      From the wide area of basically very similar rubbers I find that GEWO Hype EL 47,7 and Hype KR stand out, the latter having a soft topsheet and EL being a close relative to MX-P, but not as explosive.

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      Or just wait till mxp booster wears off :|

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      Vega X and Hexer Powergrip might work.
      Vega X has a little less catapult in comparison to Hexer Powergrip.

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      what about Victas V15 Extra, reading some older posts, it is suggested that it has better control than MX-P, yet still very spinny
      Last edited by virtuososiu; 3 Weeks Ago at 07:29 AM.

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      hoping for some more suggestions/advice here

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      I'm putting a word in for GEWO Nanoflex FT48. It seems to fit the bill so closely...

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      Hey Airoc,

      Does the r48 feel a lot softer than r53?How is the spin and speed of r48 compared to r53?
      Quote Originally Posted by Airoc View Post
      Quite a difficult search profile.

      I can only recommend you give Rasanter R48 a try.

      The hardness is nominally on MX-P level, but it plays softer.

      Spin is better than anything I have ever tried.

      Whether you´d like how it plays I can´t say.

      From the wide area of basically very similar rubbers I find that GEWO Hype EL 47,7 and Hype KR stand out, the latter having a soft topsheet and EL being a close relative to MX-P, but not as explosive.

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      Dude, lately I have been using FX Freeking S on my FH... as soft and supposedly slow-ish rubber that is supposed to be... I can pound the living dog-crap outta the ball with FX-S with enough spin to make the ball fall off a cliff when it lands.

      So... I just do not get it that the EL version does not have enough Viagra for your preferences. On a 7 Ply OFF class wood blade, just about ALL of those modern Tibhar rubbers have PLENTY of power.

      Actually, since FX-S is softer and top end slower, I can really hit the ball harder and still land it... and since that rubber is SO DAMN SPINNY, I discover that I land the ball a higher percentage with that softish FX-S rubber in most shot situations...

      So sometimes slower is better.

      I have a great BH with variety or power... I also find close to hte table, I do better with a softer BH rubber. I do not lack power and the ball lands a little more often.

      MAYBE.... maybe LATER, when I get a little more feel and a few more percent landing percentage consistency... maybe then, I can make better use of a harder sponge of the same brand/model... for right now, the facts and evidence are showing I do better with softer stuff. I didn't want to accept that at first, but the facts won.
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      Quote Originally Posted by guni4you View Post

      Does the r48 feel a lot softer than r53?How is the spin and speed of r48 compared to r53?
      It does feel softer, couldn´t say if by a linear correlation. When the R53 came out it was still a surprise that a sponge could maintain all its power yet feel softer than nominal. When I got my hands on R48, I already knew what to expect from Energy Cell

      So, don´t ask if R53 really feels like 51 degrees and R48 like 46 or something. It´s just if you play R48 in direct comparison to R47 (both I think just names around the tried and trusted 47,5 degree ESN hardness to rival t05 hardness) it will feel softer AND more powerful.

      Compared to R53, I would put it like this: R48 enables players from ALL levels to activate its spin potential, while R53 requires a bit more input from the player. I tested R53 with players from our third and second league, they can surely make the most of it. Funnily enough, one is now going into the new season with R48. So, R48 is a rubber for high demands, yet safe for anyone.

      Or, if you felt the need to boost R53 to make it softer (I don´t think it needs booster for power ...), R48 might fit the feeling out of the box.

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      Thanks for your reply.I loved how easily I could powerloop backspin with R53 and the away from table power and amazing counter looping.Are even these characteristics similar with R48. I used R53 as forehand rubber mainly.
      Quote Originally Posted by Airoc View Post
      It does feel softer, couldn´t say if by a linear correlation. When the R53 came out it was still a surprise that a sponge could maintain all its power yet feel softer than nominal. When I got my hands on R48, I already knew what to expect from Energy Cell

      So, don´t ask if R53 really feels like 51 degrees and R48 like 46 or something. It´s just if you play R48 in direct comparison to R47 (both I think just names around the tried and trusted 47,5 degree ESN hardness to rival t05 hardness) it will feel softer AND more powerful.

      Compared to R53, I would put it like this: R48 enables players from ALL levels to activate its spin potential, while R53 requires a bit more input from the player. I tested R53 with players from our third and second league, they can surely make the most of it. Funnily enough, one is now going into the new season with R48. So, R48 is a rubber for high demands, yet safe for anyone.

      Or, if you felt the need to boost R53 to make it softer (I don´t think it needs booster for power ...), R48 might fit the feeling out of the box.

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      Quote Originally Posted by guni4you View Post
      Thanks for your reply.I loved how easily I could powerloop backspin with R53 and the away from table power and amazing counter looping.Are even these characteristics similar with R48.
      Well, the R53 is surely the benchmark for what you describe, over any ESN or Butterfly I know.

      If you can handle it, no need to go softer, as of course the 5 degree hardness difference will take away a little from the power.

      However, that R53 power is too much for many anyway, so now there is a choice for mere mortals as well

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      Hi,
      if you like the Tibhar brand, I’ve heard that the Aurus rubbers have good durability, personally, I’ve only used the Aurus Sound rubber, and for only a couple of minutes, then my kids demanded to have their equipment back!!
      the Aurus Sound is very soft and a good rubber for youngster to learn with. It’s spiny as well !!!

      However the Aurus Prime rubber is listed at 47.5 degree sponge hardness and could possibly fit in somewhere between MXP and ELS
      It’s just a suggestion and I’ll defer to Airoc’s and Der_Echte’s expertise, maybe they have experienced the Aurus rubbers.

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      I used to play Aurus after I left T05 many years back. Very durable rubber, very controllable, decent power at top end... overall, an early gen modern OFF control oriented rubber. Dude could try it, likely to score it on sale somewhere... prolly has less power than EL series from Tibhar so he gotta try it to know it.

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      Aurus (normal/"old") has a very stiff topsheet and felt unforgiving and hard ("total" feeling harder than nominal sponge hardness).

      Aurus Prime is a new generation rubber with thin topsheet and thicker sponge in max. It felt a bit like t05, not so much catapult as MX-P.

      But my testing experience with both is short.

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      What about Rakza 7? I've been switching back and forth between MX-P and Rakza 7 for the past months (but always going back to MX-P). I find Rakza 7 a touch slower than MX-P but a lot spinnier on brush type shots. I prefer MX-P due to it's directness though. Both can be found at excellent price points.

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      Buy rhyzer 48
      Get 2 mm
      And you will have better durability than mxp but with better soft topsheet...

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      Rasanter 47 is good too but rhyzer is special.

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      When considering Rhyzer take into account also Dynaryz acc. At least in Poland Rhyzer 48 and Dynaryz Acc have the same (or very similar price, 186 vs 189 PLN at the shop where I checked).

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      He wants something between.
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