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Japan women's team needs to stop locking themselves into one doubles pairing. It was their downfall in Rio and again in Tokyo. In London they had 3 viable pairs that made their lineup more unpredictable. With a fixed lineup you're just showing your entire hand to the opponent.

Moving forward, Let's say the Japanese team is Hina, Miu and Mima, the only unpredictability in doubles lineup Will be Ito + Hina/Miu, rather than Hina + Miu, logically the only reason Ito Will play in doubles is if there's more than a decent chance to beat the Chinese pair, basically Ito playing doubles automatically locks down 1 - 0 for Japan Which unfortunately is not the case as the Chinese pair are good enough and are probably favorites to win the doubles match, In addition Hina should be able to comfortably beat either Chen, Sun or Wang Which is not the case, Hence it's better to let Ito play 2 Singles

 
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Think majority of teams except the Chinese do that, but no one was surprised with end combination. In fairness to some of the teams like Japan, Chinese Taipei, Hong Kong doubles pairing rarely let them down. Other than Chinese ladies no one was ever taking Japanese ladies down, even doubles team they had quite dominant
Germany: We were surprised by Hong Kong, which, surprisingly, lost every doubles match after R16, that is, 3 out of 4.
South Korea: Japan didn't play us.

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/o...s-frauen-team-verpasst-medaille-17470733.html
https://www.sportbuzzer.de/artikel/...ng-solja-xiaona-niederlage-hongkong-ergebnis/
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/spor...chtennis-team-dttb-frauen-halbfinale-100.html
 
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https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASP8874CJP88UZPS002.html
https://news.goo.ne.jp/article/asahi/sports/ASP8874CJP88UZPS002.html
五輪、最も印象に残った競技は「卓球」 朝日世論調査

2021/08/08 21:44

 東京五輪で最も印象に残った競技は何ですか――。

 朝日新聞社が7、8日に実施した世論調査(電話)で尋ねたところ、卓球が17%で最も多かった。2位は柔道(16%)、3位は野球(12%)。ソフトボールと陸上が6%で続いた。

 卓球は、新種目の混合ダブルスで水谷隼、伊藤美誠組が中国ペアを破り、金メダルを獲得した。男女別にみると、特に女性の22%が最も印象に残った競技に「卓球」を挙げた。男性の12%よりかなり高かった。年代別では50代、60代が高めで2割を超えた。

 過去最多の金メダル9個を獲得した柔道は性別、年代を問わず、人気があった。男性では18%と卓球を上回った。
"Table tennis" the most memorable competition in the Olympics, Asahi poll shows

2021/08/08 21:44

What was the most memorable competition at the Tokyo Olympics?

When asked in the opinion poll (telephone) conducted by Asahi Shimbun on the 7th and 8th, table tennis was the most popular at 17%. Judo (16%) is second and baseball (12%) is third. Softball and track and field followed at 6%.

In table tennis, Jun Mizutani and Mima Ito defeated the Chinese pair in the new event of mixed doubles and won the gold medal. By gender, 22% of women cited "table tennis" as the most memorable sport. It was significantly higher than 12% of men. By age group, those in their 50s and 60s were higher and exceeded 20%.

Judo, which won the highest number of 9 gold medals in history, was popular regardless of gender or age. For men, it was 18%, which was higher than table tennis.
 
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More Japanese TV ratings for table tennis. Table tennis can compete with football and baseball. An average of 26.3% and as high as 31.2% at 20:49 for WT F. Select ratings below.

卓球女子団体、銀メダル 決勝・中国戦視聴率は26・3% 瞬間最高は31・2%
https://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainment/news/2021/08/06/kiji/20210806s00041000185000c.html

https://www.videor.co.jp/tvrating/past_tvrating/sport/olympic-summer/tokyo2020/01.html
WT F JPN vs CHN
Program start 19:33, duration 87 mins
Average individual viewership: 16.4%
Average household viewership: 26.3%
Average viewers: 19.16 million
Viewers reached: 42.418 million

WT F JPN vs CHN
Program start 21:20, duration 22 mins
Average individual viewership: 13%,
Average household viewership: 21.4%
Average viewers: 14.822 million
Viewers reached: 26.993 million

WT medal ceremony
Program start 21:42, duration 46 mins
Average individual viewership: 7.6%
Average household viewership: 26.3%
Average viewers: 8.797 million
Viewers reached: 23.981 million

MT SF JPN vs GER
Program start 19:20, duration 220 mins
Average individual viewership: 7.1%
Average household viewership: 11.9%
Average viewers: 6.387 million
Viewers reached: 28.439 million

MT QF JPN vs SWE
Program start 9:56, duration 118 mins
Average individual viewership: 5.3%
Average household viewership: 10.4%

MT QF JPN vs SWE
Program start 12:20, duration 25 mins
Average individual viewership: 8.5%
Average household viewership: 15.8%
Average viewers: 9.52 million
Viewers reached: 14.943 million

WT SF JPN vs HKG
Program start 20:05, duration 55 mins
Average individual viewership: 11.0%
Average household viewership: 18.6%
Average viewers: 13.135 million
Viewers reached: 29.403 million

WT SF JPN vs TPE
Program start 19:26, duration 79 mins
Average individual viewership: 5.7%
Average household viewership: 9.6%

WT R16 JPN vs HUN
Program start 20:00, duration 56 mins
Average individual viewership: 7.4%
Average household viewership: 11.9%
Average viewers: 8.435 million
Viewers reached: 18.558 million

XD bronze and gold medal matches
Program start 20:00, duration 140 mins
Average individual viewership: 11.3%
Average household viewership: 18.3%
Average viewers: 13.738 million
Viewers reached: 45.069 million

XD gold medal match and medal ceremony
Average individual viewership: 15.7%
Average household viewership: 24.6%
Average viewers: 18.558 million
Viewers reached: 36.995 million

Previous news on TV ratings:
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-2020-7-24-8-9&p=349019&viewfull=1#post349019
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-2020-7-24-8-9&p=349023&viewfull=1#post349023
 
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those Olympics were great for TT. But i still prefer WTTC as the level is even higher with more Chinese players
This is true. Olympics might be the most important tournament for a table tennis player but as a fan I prefer watching the WTTC, the quality is a lot higher. Much more players are involved and get a chance.
Before Tokyo 2020
Dainton: WTT is the future.

After Tokyo 2020
Fans: WTTC forever!
 
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If the IOC insists on only 2 singles players, then how about allowing for 1 more player on the team as another doubles specialist for the teams event. Then, we can get some interesting matchups. We could see 2019 World Tour Grand Finals Doubles Champions Miyu Nagasaki/Miyuu Kihara take on China's best doubles pairing for example.
 
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Japan women's team needs to stop locking themselves into one doubles pairing. It was their downfall in Rio and again in Tokyo. In London they had 3 viable pairs that made their lineup more unpredictable. With a fixed lineup you're just showing your entire hand to the opponent.
More important to have a lineup that wins, IMHO...

 
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If the IOC insists on only 2 singles players, then how about allowing for 1 more player on the team as another doubles specialist for the teams event. Then, we can get some interesting matchups. We could see 2019 World Tour Grand Finals Doubles Champions Miyu Nagasaki/Miyuu Kihara take on China's best doubles pairing for example.

I think the existing format is fine. Each team has 4 men and 4 women, we saw Team China bring in 4th member WMY to replace LSW, don't think needs to change.

XX for China I think could be categorised as a doubles specialist same with Mizutani. If WCQ came in for men's possibly team structure might have changed

 
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In all of this convo, everyone has forgotten Zhu Yuling, even notices about the CTTA or Chinese team in general have largely ignored her, I hope the team doesn't forget her and give her an equal chance as the rest of the Top CNT Girls in the New Olympic cycle, She's a very strong player who is a World Cup winner and a World Champs finalist, 2 losses to Mima Ito doesn't Define her, even Wang Manyu has 2 losses to Ito, Sun Yingsha too has a loss in Singles. Da Meng has only met Ito 4 times in Singles so no losses yet
 
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Actually, I think a single crushing loss of the magnitude ZYL suffered against Mima Ito would already weigh very very heavily against her - much like the humiliation Ding Ning underwent pretty much sealed her fate.

And ZYL didn’t happen onto it once, but multiple times. It may be harsh, cruel even, but I’m not seeing the CNT hazarding putting her out there ever again when the stakes are high.
 
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In all of this convo, everyone has forgotten Zhu Yuling, even notices about the CTTA or Chinese team in general have largely ignored her, I hope the team doesn't forget her and give her an equal chance as the rest of the Top CNT Girls in the New Olympic cycle, She's a very strong player who is a World Cup winner and a World Champs finalist, 2 losses to Mima Ito doesn't Define her, even Wang Manyu has 2 losses to Ito, Sun Yingsha too has a loss in Singles. Da Meng has only met Ito 4 times in Singles so no losses yet

No one forgot her, she got surpassed by *very strong* younger teammates. Actually in 2017, after her WTTC silver medal, someone on mytt said that Zhu Yuling had lost her chance that the ones below her are too strong. I was puzzled by this statement, but I think he turned out to be 100% correct. One of Zhu Yuling's problems is that her style relies a lot on controlling the opponent's power and creating timing problems and this doesn't play as well against high risk smashes when you need to take the initiative to restrict the opponent. It has a Kato Miyu element to it. That Chen Meng survived says a lot about her physical game blossoming and possibly good coaching (since Ma Lin also managed to get LSW a revival). Also the world ranking issues helped restrict China's options. Finally, the occasions on which ZYL lost to Ito were also especially embarrassing - one of them caused a high ranking Chinese diplomat an embarrassment.

All that said, she will have opportunities again, the real issue is whether she can play at a level high enough to seize them. I am doubtful, as it won't be about her results vs just her teammates anymore. She will need to beat Wang Yidi and others for the WTTC spots and win that tournament. Hopefully, she will get a chance to play Ito on the way. I like redemption stories but ZYL's path is hard.

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