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      Joola Rossi emotion normal vs PBO-c

      Hello everyone,

      I had a question about the Joola rossi emotion normal and the pbo-c version. They both have the same wood setups, only the carbon layer is different where the normal one uses 3K-c and the PBO-c version well.... PBO-c. When looking at the catalogue we can see the following values given by joola:

      speed control accuracy hardness flex
      PBO-c 4 4 4.5 3 2.5
      Normal 4 4.5 4 3.5 2

      In this table they look very similair, however i was just wondering if someone had the oppertunity to play with both and how they differed. Seeing as the PBO-c is about 2.5x more expensive i would really like to know if they differ a lot in feeling aswell or not.

      With kind regards,
      Martijn

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      You could add the Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Off into the mix.
      As far as I know it's the same construction and, at the moment, you can get one from Contra.de for EUR104 (compared to the normal Rossi Emotion at EUR80 and the new Rossi Emotion PBO-c at EUR200).

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      Good point, however with the regular being only 80 euros i would preffer that option if they all play the same. Also do you know what kind of carbon the aruna has?

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      Hi Martijn,

      No, I don't know what kind of carbon the Gewo uses but, if you read Yogi_Bear's review here ( https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/for...o-Speed-Review ) and follow some of the comments further down the thread, you'll see that folks generally think the Gewo is identical to the (now-discontinued) Joola Aruna Off, which is (as far as I know) identical to the normal Rossi Emotion.

      So, unless someone on this Forum is able to say otherwise, I think it's a safe guess that the Gewo Aruna Hinoki Off is the same thing is the Joola Rossi Emotion. Or at least close enough to the same to satisfy Quadri Aruna himself!

      It's also worth noting in regard to price that some sellers offer package deals (ie. blade + rubbers) that might make a difference to your ultimate choice. See here for example: https://www.contra.de/en/bats/bat-bu...na-nexxus.html

      Hope that helps!
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      Thank you for that link, will certainly take a look. And yeah that's what i thought aswell. That's why i think ill just go for the normal joola one. Sure the aruna is on sale now, but to be fair, if i purchase enough i get a 20% discount on the joola aswell.
      Also, and this is an odd point, i would like my blade and rubbers to be the same brand. And even though the 48xt pro from gewo peak my interest, looking at the reviews i think the arc will be too direct for me (i can buy a softer version or go with el version i know, but i would love a cool coloured sponge :P)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Martijn Heemskerk View Post
      Hello everyone,

      I had a question about the Joola rossi emotion normal and the pbo-c version. They both have the same wood setups, only the carbon layer is different where the normal one uses 3K-c and the PBO-c version well.... PBO-c. When looking at the catalogue we can see the following values given by joola:

      speed control accuracy hardness flex
      PBO-c 4 4 4.5 3 2.5
      Normal 4 4.5 4 3.5 2

      In this table they look very similair, however i was just wondering if someone had the oppertunity to play with both and how they differed. Seeing as the PBO-c is about 2.5x more expensive i would really like to know if they differ a lot in feeling aswell or not.

      With kind regards,
      Martijn
      I actually did a review of the new PBOc compared to the old JRE, so here it is. I also read in a recent Joola catalog that the inner ply for JRE PBOc is kiri instead of ayous. So plys differ somewhat with the old JRE.

      I finally bought the new PBOc version! A REVIEW Joola Rosskopf Emotion PBOc

      Handle: Flared (103x25x34)
      Weight: 80 – 85 grams
      Thickness: 6.3 mm
      Plies: 7 ply (Hinoki-Koto-PBOc-Kiri-PBOc-Koto-Hinoki)
      Speed: Off (Fast)
      Stiffness: Medium Stiff
      Touch: Hard
      Trajectory: Medium Arc
      Control: Medium to High
      Would love to post pics of my blade but don't know how, sorry.
      My main blade these past few years is a Joola Rosskopf Emotion or JRE. I bought this new upgraded version of the blade, the JRE PBOc since this was the newest edition of the premium Joola line, and I thought would be an improvement. I needed an upgrade which I thought would level up my playing performance. And for such reasons and justifications, like all the other regular equipment junkies (EJs) would resort to I ordered this blade. So for this review, I may compare mostly to my old JRE as reference.
      I used Tenergy 05 rubbers on both sides of this brand new blade. I used it warming up with several hundred balls on my robot. I used it to play a couple of games at our club against my usual playmates. So my review of the blade may only be my initial perception, and I may add some more or fine tune my impression as I play with it more in the weeks to come.
      The blade is finely made, precisely crafted. Quality is very high, finish is extra sleek. I suspect the blade may even be lightly sealed as it seemed to exhibit some gloss. No sharp edges that needs sanding. Top plies are smooth with the beauty of the Hinoki grain clearly evident in the ply.
      The handle is flared, identical to the size and shape of the old JRE, which is relatively small compared to most blades. I use a rubber tube grip which gives me a more comfy chunkier grip.
      When hitting with the blade, it produces a high “thok” sound which I found very similar to its 5 ply brother the Joola Nobilis PBOc. Hitting forehand to forehand drills, it is clearly evident that this is a quick blade, with the capability of some power when you exert effort as with most synthetic/carbon blades. I believe that this blade is a tad faster than the Joola Nobilis PBOc.
      On soft touch strokes, such as returning serves short by the net, the blade was fairly controllable. Despite using TO5, the blade was controllable on soft short strokes. If you exert force and engage the inner material, then the blade can be fairly quick. And it has power when you go whack with it.
      The sweet spot for this blade is large. I never felt a bad feeling even when I hit near the edge of the blade face, so huge sweet spot. This gives bigger tolerance for inaccuracies in hitting the blade.
      Hinoki top veneer ensures spin generation is still adequately high, maybe a tad less compared to the old JRE. But this blade makes up with a lot more speed. If trajectory of the old JRE is high arc, this blade would be medium. Not really as flat and long as most fast carbon blades. Speed is fast and would be a notch higher than OFF but still far from OFF+.
      On serves, it takes some getting used to, compared to my old JRE. I still need to learn to use it on most of my serves. But on the serves that I could adequately do, like the pendulum side-under, the spin generation coupled with the speed was ridiculously wicked. So the blade has a high potential for spin generation on serves if you know how. Serving short is easy and manageable.
      On opening of loops, angle of the blade also needs some adjusting compared to my JRE. Trajectory of the ball is longer with arc not as pronounced. Once you overcome that, the blade has a pleasant feel to loop and drive with power even if you step back from the table. The feeling is pleasant when looping. So this is a fun attacking blade that will allow you to topspin and drive ad infinitum. It is a topspin looping machine on steroids. On blocking it is firm, stable and fast on the rebound. The blade shines in blocking, and punch blocking, nice crisp feeling when you do.
      On my old JRE with T05, I can feel the rubber bottoming out with a peculiar “poink” sound when doing counters against strong drives. In the new JRE PBOc this does not happen, the ball rebounds with a strong quick pleasant feel. Probably has something to do with dwell time on the blade.
      With T05 on both sides, this blade should be heavy but somehow because the blade is light, it does not feel that way. So it must be a fairly balanced blade.
      The blade demands some skill to use effectively. It is definitely not a blade for beginners, maybe more useful for intermediate to advanced players. Skilled offensive topspin players capable of attacking from both wings, topspin oriented spin variation players, power spin players are best suited to unleash the full potential of this blade. This blade will reward the active player more than the passive one.
      Speed and power, touch and control are two paired qualities that seem to be inversely proportional in most conventional blades. For the JRE PBOc, Joola seemed to have found the right mix without compromising feeling and control for speed and power. It still is a fast blade with the capability for soft controlled touch. Nice soft touch in the short game and a lot of speed when hitting.
      For me the blade is a bit on the expensive side, but for its qualities, it is money well worth spending, if you know what I mean. (wink, wink)
      All these are my impressions of the blade gathered from a few sessions of play. Of course I talk and shoot bull more than I can actually play. So all these should be taken with a grain of salt. Only my opinion for whatever it's worth. Should you find this review useless and a complete waste of your precious time, then my apologies.

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      Opps I don't know how I did that post in dark fonts. Copy pasted my previous post.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Knuckle Ball View Post
      I actually did a review of the new PBOc compared to the old JRE, so here it is. I also read in a recent Joola catalog that the inner ply for JRE PBOc is kiri instead of ayous. So plys differ somewhat with the old JRE.

      I finally bought the new PBOc version! A REVIEW Joola Rosskopf Emotion PBOc

      [COLOR=#000000]Handle: Flared (103x25x34)
      Weight: 80 – 85 grams
      Thickness: 6.3 mm
      Plies: 7 ply (Hinoki-Koto-PBOc-Kiri-PBOc-Koto-Hinoki)
      Speed: Off (Fast)
      Stiffness: Medium Stiff
      Touch: Hard
      Trajectory: Medium Arc
      Control: Medium to High
      Would love to post pics of my blade but don't know how, sorry.
      My main blade these past few years is a Joola Rosskopf Emotion or JRE. I bought this new upgraded version of the blade, the JRE PBOc since this was the newest edition of the premium Joola line, and I thought would be an improvement. I needed an upgrade which I thought would level up my playing performance. And for such reasons and justifications, like all the other regular equipment junkies (EJs) would resort to I ordered this blade. So for this review, I may compare mostly to my old JRE as reference.
      I used Tenergy 05 rubbers on both sides of this brand new blade. I used it warming up with several hundred balls on my robot. I used it to play a couple of games at our club against my usual playmates. So my review of the blade may only be my initial perception, and I may add some more or fine tune my impression as I play with it more in the weeks to come.
      The blade is finely made, precisely crafted. Quality is very high, finish is extra sleek. I suspect the blade may even be lightly sealed as it seemed to exhibit some gloss. No sharp edges that needs sanding. Top plies are smooth with the beauty of the Hinoki grain clearly evident in the ply.
      The handle is flared, identical to the size and shape of the old JRE, which is relatively small compared to most blades. I use a rubber tube grip which gives me a more comfy chunkier grip.
      When hitting with the blade, it produces a high “thok” sound which I found very similar to its 5 ply brother the Joola Nobilis PBOc. Hitting forehand to forehand drills, it is clearly evident that this is a quick blade, with the capability of some power when you exert effort as with most synthetic/carbon blades. I believe that this blade is a tad faster than the Joola Nobilis PBOc.
      On soft touch strokes, such as returning serves short by the net, the blade was fairly controllable. Despite using TO5, the blade was controllable on soft short strokes. If you exert force and engage the inner material, then the blade can be fairly quick. And it has power when you go whack with it.
      The sweet spot for this blade is large. I never felt a bad feeling even when I hit near the edge of the blade face, so huge sweet spot. This gives bigger tolerance for inaccuracies in hitting the blade.
      Hinoki top veneer ensures spin generation is still adequately high, maybe a tad less compared to the old JRE. But this blade makes up with a lot more speed. If trajectory of the old JRE is high arc, this blade would be medium. Not really as flat and long as most fast carbon blades. Speed is fast and would be a notch higher than OFF but still far from OFF+.
      On serves, it takes some getting used to, compared to my old JRE. I still need to learn to use it on most of my serves. But on the serves that I could adequately do, like the pendulum side-under, the spin generation coupled with the speed was ridiculously wicked. So the blade has a high potential for spin generation on serves if you know how. Serving short is easy and manageable.
      On opening of loops, angle of the blade also needs some adjusting compared to my JRE. Trajectory of the ball is longer with arc not as pronounced. Once you overcome that, the blade has a pleasant feel to loop and drive with power even if you step back from the table. The feeling is pleasant when looping. So this is a fun attacking blade that will allow you to topspin and drive ad infinitum. It is a topspin looping machine on steroids. On blocking it is firm, stable and fast on the rebound. The blade shines in blocking, and punch blocking, nice crisp feeling when you do.
      On my old JRE with T05, I can feel the rubber bottoming out with a peculiar “poink” sound when doing counters against strong drives. In the new JRE PBOc this does not happen, the ball rebounds with a strong quick pleasant feel. Probably has something to do with dwell time on the blade.
      With T05 on both sides, this blade should be heavy but somehow because the blade is light, it does not feel that way. So it must be a fairly balanced blade.
      The blade demands some skill to use effectively. It is definitely not a blade for beginners, maybe more useful for intermediate to advanced players. Skilled offensive topspin players capable of attacking from both wings, topspin oriented spin variation players, power spin players are best suited to unleash the full potential of this blade. This blade will reward the active player more than the passive one.
      Speed and power, touch and control are two paired qualities that seem to be inversely proportional in most conventional blades. For the JRE PBOc, Joola seemed to have found the right mix without compromising feeling and control for speed and power. It still is a fast blade with the capability for soft controlled touch. Nice soft touch in the short game and a lot of speed when hitting.
      For me the blade is a bit on the expensive side, but for its qualities, it is money well worth spending, if you know what I mean. (wink, wink)
      All these are my impressions of the blade gathered from a few sessions of play. Of course I talk and shoot bull more than I can actually play. So all these should be taken with a grain of salt. Only my opinion for whatever it's worth. Should you find this review useless and a complete waste of your precious time, then my apologies.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Knuckle Ball View Post
      I actually did a review of the new PBOc compared to the old JRE, so here it is. I also read in a recent Joola catalog that the inner ply for JRE PBOc is kiri instead of ayous. So plys differ somewhat with the old JRE.

      I finally bought the new PBOc version! A REVIEW Joola Rosskopf Emotion PBOc

      [COLOR=#000000]Handle: Flared (103x25x34)
      Weight: 80 – 85 grams
      Thickness: 6.3 mm
      Plies: 7 ply (Hinoki-Koto-PBOc-Kiri-PBOc-Koto-Hinoki)
      Speed: Off (Fast)
      Stiffness: Medium Stiff
      Touch: Hard
      Trajectory: Medium Arc
      Control: Medium to High
      Would love to post pics of my blade but don't know how, sorry.
      My main blade these past few years is a Joola Rosskopf Emotion or JRE. I bought this new upgraded version of the blade, the JRE PBOc since this was the newest edition of the premium Joola line, and I thought would be an improvement. I needed an upgrade which I thought would level up my playing performance. And for such reasons and justifications, like all the other regular equipment junkies (EJs) would resort to I ordered this blade. So for this review, I may compare mostly to my old JRE as reference.
      I used Tenergy 05 rubbers on both sides of this brand new blade. I used it warming up with several hundred balls on my robot. I used it to play a couple of games at our club against my usual playmates. So my review of the blade may only be my initial perception, and I may add some more or fine tune my impression as I play with it more in the weeks to come.
      The blade is finely made, precisely crafted. Quality is very high, finish is extra sleek. I suspect the blade may even be lightly sealed as it seemed to exhibit some gloss. No sharp edges that needs sanding. Top plies are smooth with the beauty of the Hinoki grain clearly evident in the ply.
      The handle is flared, identical to the size and shape of the old JRE, which is relatively small compared to most blades. I use a rubber tube grip which gives me a more comfy chunkier grip.
      When hitting with the blade, it produces a high “thok” sound which I found very similar to its 5 ply brother the Joola Nobilis PBOc. Hitting forehand to forehand drills, it is clearly evident that this is a quick blade, with the capability of some power when you exert effort as with most synthetic/carbon blades. I believe that this blade is a tad faster than the Joola Nobilis PBOc.
      On soft touch strokes, such as returning serves short by the net, the blade was fairly controllable. Despite using TO5, the blade was controllable on soft short strokes. If you exert force and engage the inner material, then the blade can be fairly quick. And it has power when you go whack with it.
      The sweet spot for this blade is large. I never felt a bad feeling even when I hit near the edge of the blade face, so huge sweet spot. This gives bigger tolerance for inaccuracies in hitting the blade.
      Hinoki top veneer ensures spin generation is still adequately high, maybe a tad less compared to the old JRE. But this blade makes up with a lot more speed. If trajectory of the old JRE is high arc, this blade would be medium. Not really as flat and long as most fast carbon blades. Speed is fast and would be a notch higher than OFF but still far from OFF+.
      On serves, it takes some getting used to, compared to my old JRE. I still need to learn to use it on most of my serves. But on the serves that I could adequately do, like the pendulum side-under, the spin generation coupled with the speed was ridiculously wicked. So the blade has a high potential for spin generation on serves if you know how. Serving short is easy and manageable.
      On opening of loops, angle of the blade also needs some adjusting compared to my JRE. Trajectory of the ball is longer with arc not as pronounced. Once you overcome that, the blade has a pleasant feel to loop and drive with power even if you step back from the table. The feeling is pleasant when looping. So this is a fun attacking blade that will allow you to topspin and drive ad infinitum. It is a topspin looping machine on steroids. On blocking it is firm, stable and fast on the rebound. The blade shines in blocking, and punch blocking, nice crisp feeling when you do.
      On my old JRE with T05, I can feel the rubber bottoming out with a peculiar “poink” sound when doing counters against strong drives. In the new JRE PBOc this does not happen, the ball rebounds with a strong quick pleasant feel. Probably has something to do with dwell time on the blade.
      With T05 on both sides, this blade should be heavy but somehow because the blade is light, it does not feel that way. So it must be a fairly balanced blade.
      The blade demands some skill to use effectively. It is definitely not a blade for beginners, maybe more useful for intermediate to advanced players. Skilled offensive topspin players capable of attacking from both wings, topspin oriented spin variation players, power spin players are best suited to unleash the full potential of this blade. This blade will reward the active player more than the passive one.
      Speed and power, touch and control are two paired qualities that seem to be inversely proportional in most conventional blades. For the JRE PBOc, Joola seemed to have found the right mix without compromising feeling and control for speed and power. It still is a fast blade with the capability for soft controlled touch. Nice soft touch in the short game and a lot of speed when hitting.
      For me the blade is a bit on the expensive side, but for its qualities, it is money well worth spending, if you know what I mean. (wink, wink)
      All these are my impressions of the blade gathered from a few sessions of play. Of course I talk and shoot bull more than I can actually play. So all these should be taken with a grain of salt. Only my opinion for whatever it's worth. Should you find this review useless and a complete waste of your precious time, then my apologies.
      It will work?

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      Haha it worked, actually i found your post after i posted this and asked you a question on that forum . Ill copy paste my question here:
      Thank you for the review. I had a small question. Im very interested in the jre but have no experience with it. Would you think the pbo-c is worth the price to go straight for the expensive version? Or should i start with jre and if i like it upgrade to the pbo-c later down the line?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Martijn Heemskerk View Post
      Haha it worked, actually i found your post after i posted this and asked you a question on that forum . Ill copy paste my question here:
      Thank you for the review. I had a small question. Im very interested in the jre but have no experience with it. Would you think the pbo-c is worth the price to go straight for the expensive version? Or should i start with jre and if i like it upgrade to the pbo-c later down the line?
      On my review I wrote "The blade demands some skill to use effectively. It is definitely not a blade for beginners, maybe more useful for intermediate to advanced players. Skilled offensive topspin players capable of attacking from both wings, topspin oriented spin variation players, power spin players are best suited to unleash the full potential of this blade. This blade will reward the active player more than the passive one."

      I do not know your ranking or skill level, and the correct answer will depend on this and what should suit you best. Someone in this forum once wrote that "every new born child should be issued a JRE, that should be the law" ha ha ha and I totally understand and support what he meant. For a long time JRE has been my main blade for reasons that it is very easy to use at my skill level and allows me to correct my imperfect technique. It is a really good looping blade and i was looking for a new JRE but due to no stocks available in my country, I moved on to new JRE PBOc. (the EJ in me). My suggestion would be, you can not go wrong with the old JRE.

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      Just out of interest: where did you first post that review?

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      https://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?...385611#p385611
      This is where the original post is from (at least that is where i found it)
      Also you peaked my interest. Even though i think i have the skill to use the pbo-c version ill stick with the regular first and see if i like it. Actually, i already ordered mine .

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      Quote Originally Posted by Martijn Heemskerk View Post
      https://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?...385611#p385611
      This is where the original post is from (at least that is where i found it)
      Also you peaked my interest. Even though i think i have the skill to use the pbo-c version ill stick with the regular first and see if i like it. Actually, i already ordered mine .
      Good for you, the old classic Joola Rossi Emotion for the win! I would also buy a new JRE if they are available in my area.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Manto76 View Post
      Just out of interest: where did you first post that review?
      Not sure if this one
      http://mytabletennis.net/forum/joola...motion#1103531

      Or maybe this one
      https://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37378

      Can't recall which came first.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Knuckle Ball View Post
      Not sure if this one
      http://mytabletennis.net/forum/joola...motion#1103531

      Or maybe this one
      https://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37378

      Can't recall which came first.
      Thank you!

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