Is Harimoto's screams disrespectful to the opponent?

Is Harimoto's screaming disrespectful to the sport and to his opponents?


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No the learning thing is a genuine question. Someone else had also though that this isn't uncommon with minor ASD. And if it is because of that then I would take it all back in a heart beat.
I also have met a lot of people and mental health in Japan isn't a well regarded area. Not that the west is any good either but we pretend at least.
 
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I'm calling you out for "...I do it in part because my opponent does it" despite "...we should just allow people to do anything that potentially improves how well they play?" Again, which one is it? Who's "being morally bankrupt" now? You've been so inconsistent over this issue.

Forget it. The match is about to start. Have fun with the navel-gazing.


zeio,

Nuance is not for everyone. Have fun being a master debater.

Cheers.
 
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Can someone assist, when you are NOT logged in you can see who has voted, but I take it that the only names shown are those of TTD members?
When you ARE logged in there doesn’t seem to be the option to see who has voted? Is this correct?
 
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No the learning thing is a genuine question. Someone else had also though that this isn't uncommon with minor ASD. And if it is because of that then I would take it all back in a heart beat.
I also have met a lot of people and mental health in Japan isn't a well regarded area. Not that the west is any good either but we pretend at least.

This thread is also framed as a genuine question. You were framing your genuine question merely on his behavior in matches? Why would you think he'd have trouble controlling himself only in matches and not in his daily life? Had you seen his daily life before you asked that?

Can you tell anything from the picture below?
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It seems strange that some of the major voices in this thread either haven’t voted or chose to remain invisible in as far as how they voted.
very strange indeed.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

I personally believe the poll and the question in the poll is misguided. To vote would be a nod to the validity of something I feel is completely invalid.

If anyone else of the others who don't appear on the poll did not vote for similar reasons, I applaud them for not being herded like cattle. :)
 
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I personally dislike loud choing. I wish it would stop.. But I also have contempt for ITTF ability to write a rule in language precise enough to be enforceable in a fair way. We have lotscof threads on illegal serves, this could be worse. All the same, anyone actually TEACHING kids to do this sucks.
 
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It seems strange that some of the major voices in this thread either haven’t voted or chose to remain invisible in as far as how they voted.
very strange indeed.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

What's so strange about it? Their stance is clear or maybe they thought their posts in the thread serve as their answer. The poll is already biased and illegitimate and results shouldn't be taken seriously. What I'd be more interested in is if you took this question and presented it fairly to people outside of a forum and gauged their responses.
 
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Even more silent than Timo Boll. Not comparable to Harimoto by any means!

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I remember a few examples of him going crazy in Bundesliga matches. I don't know if he does it any more. Way more intense than Harimoto has ever done. I don't feel like looking for a video at the moment but if you are curious, try searching some of his Bundesliga matches.
 
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It seems strange that some of the major voices in this thread either haven’t voted or chose to remain invisible in as far as how they voted.
very strange indeed.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Polls? Look at the US presidential election. Oh, I mean the USATT's latest and greatest spat. What a farce. Keep the mess to yourself. 打曬開口牌!(I'm gonna play this CARD next!) How is that different from "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."? The choice was so obvious. Every dictator on earth would've sided with the land of the free in the war on terrorism. Freedom fighters? *Slap* Terrorists! Pro-democracy group? *Slap* Terrorist group! See how dumb that is?

It never ends well. It always degenerates into petty arguments over something else. The problem with this thread started the moment it was framed as a genuine question. "Is Harimoto's screams disrespectful to the opponent?" is equivalent to asking "Is 11-0 disrespectful to the opponent?" It's part of the *bleep* game. "Harden the f^#k up" as Baal's teaching dictates. But hey, the intensity, the frequency, and the duration should be regulated if you're a serious sport federation...(despite having little to do with respect, more like what you think/feel is acceptable/moral), and the vicious cycle continues.

The Japanese media made a fuss over 11-0 sometime after Rio 2016 or WTTC 2017(can't remember) after Ito explained on a variety show about the unwritten rules of table tennis, citing the CNT started the tradition. Fukuhara did it once in the early rounds at Rio 2016 and was teased by Kong Linghui about being mindful of the foreign relations between the 2 countries during a post-match interview outside the venue. Finally in the WS SF/F b/w LSW and DN/CM at WTTC 2019, the tradition was broken. LSW's response back then:

https://sports.163.com/19/0428/07/EDR7QSF200058782.html
针对11-0的情况,刘诗雯表示在世乒赛前,刘国梁就针对10-0的情况进行了说明,“比赛本身并没有一定送给对手1分的规则,我认为要在比赛中要竭尽全力,这也是对对手的尊重。”刘诗雯在赛后再次重复了打出最好的比赛是对比赛和对手的尊重。
Regarding the 11-0 situation, Liu Shiwen said that before the WTTC, Liu Guoliang elaborated on the 10-0 situation, "The rules do not state you must spot the opponent 1 point. I think we must do our best in the match. This also means respect for the opponent." Liu Shiwen repeated after the match that playing to her best means respect for the competition and the opponent.

Ito and Hayata responded on that in early 2020, saying they'll follow her example, that spotting a courtesy point is actually the disrespectful thing to do.

伊藤美誠 わざと失点は“悪習”「逆に失礼」五輪女王に11-0達成
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2020/01/19/0013048048.shtml
初Vの早田ひな“掟破り”11-0に見せた勝利への執念
https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2020/01/19/0013048048.shtml

Bottom line? Things change. Learn to adapt.
 
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Zeio I have a lesson for you on how you approach this thread.

寬己嚴人
Strict on others but lenient on oneself.

同時,儒家極為推崇道德和修養的培育,有所謂“嚴以律己,寬以待人”的說法;並強調明辨是非和信用的重要性,提出“自古皆有死,民 無信不立”等。
Meanwhile, Confucianism strongly promotes the concept of morality and the cultivation of a person's moral character. It preaches the principle of being strict to oneself but lenient to others. It stresses the importance of distinguishing right from wrong and a person's trustworthiness, preaching that "Since time immemorial, all men are subject to death. If the people do not trust you, you have nothing to stand on."

Almost everyone here manages to be civil while talking to each other. Me and Carl, zyu and everyone and takkyu.

But with you it's all emotions and inflammatory comments.
 
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So you can't tell anything from that picture?

Here's the answer. On the right is Miu Hirano's younger sister Ako Hirano, and she has a developmental disability. Her mom and Hirano spoke about it to the media some time after WTTC 2017. From what little I've seen her in some variety shows before the revelation, she looks absolutely normal, well-mannered, a little shy but otherwise just like any other kid. I couldn't tell at all. I'm amazed at your ability to tell so much from Harimoto's behavior in the arena.
 
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There are other examples, because I do remember an umpire ruling against him in a match before it stopped. But in any case, if you want to properly evaluate a claim like this, you should consider watching the match rather than relying on highlights, whatever you think of the claim.

https://tv.ittf.com/video/kallberg-anton-swe-vs-harimoto-tomokazu-jpn/664373

Thanks - hadn't seen that before. He seems to do it before the server gets set but I can definitely see how it would be annoying. I've seen other players do similar things before. Maybe some people more familiar with Japan can elaborate on how cultural this is, but at any rate it seems like he has stopped it now.
 
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