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    Thank you!

    From the graphic, it looks like MX-D will be a mix of the best characteristics from MX-P and MX-S, like an upgrade of both. Kinda like T19 is an upgraded/improved Tenergy, more dynamic.

    Edit: Now that I'm looking at the picture again, I see MX-D is 51.5 degrees, so I think it's more Tibhar's attempt at a Dignics-like rubber. Just like MX-P and S were produced in response to Tenergy.
    Probably their version of Rakza Z or Omega 7 China.

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    It's the hybrid rubber's race: how to make a tacky chinese-like topsheet with a bouncy sponge, to obey the ITTF rules against boostering.

    That's a really good thing, there will be no excuse anymore for boostering in a near future, even for CNT.

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    #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Music&Ping
    It's the hybrid rubber's race: how to make a tacky chinese-like topsheet with a bouncy sponge, to obey the ITTF rules against boostering.

    That's a really good thing, there will be no excuse anymore for boostering in a near future, even for CNT.
    isn't that what Dignics 09 and Xiom Tau etc. are trying to do?

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    isn't that what Dignics 09 and Xiom Tau etc. are trying to do?
    That's exactly what I'm saying if you read well my post: it's a race, every ESN brand is competing to make the best tacky/springy rubber possible to mimic the boosted H3.

    Given the rhythm at which the major ESN brands progress, 3 or 4 years and we'll get a legal perfect H3-like rubber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Music&Ping
    That's exactly what I'm saying if you read well my post: it's a race, every ESN brand is competing to make the best tacky/springy rubber possible to mimic the boosted H3.

    Given the rhythm at which the major ESN brands progress, 3 or 4 years and we'll get a legal perfect H3-like rubber.
    Sorry to kill your excitement but that will not kill boosting. Not everyone has possibility or willing to buy new rubber every 3 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuba Hajto
    Sorry to kill your excitement but that will not kill boosting. Not everyone has possibility or willing to buy new rubber every 3 weeks.
    Exactly. Plus an hybrid rubber will never be anything quite like a Chinese rubber.

    And you can't beat the price of a commercial H3, not that I'm boosting... yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuba Hajto
    Sorry to kill your excitement but that will not kill boosting. Not everyone has possibility or willing to buy new rubber every 3 weeks.
    Music&Ping has written several posts calling the Chinese cheaters for boosting their rubbers. He seems not to realize that non-Chinese professional players all do it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zyu81
    Music&Ping has written several posts calling the Chinese cheaters for boosting their rubbers. He seems not to realize that non-Chinese professional players all do it as well.
    True, I know few players in Bundesliga who do boost their tenergies and bluefires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Music&Ping
    It's the hybrid rubber's race: how to make a tacky chinese-like topsheet with a bouncy sponge, to obey the ITTF rules against boostering.

    That's a really good thing, there will be no excuse anymore for boostering in a near future, even for CNT.
    People want MORE!! Spin, speed, feel!! As the others have said, boosting is NOT just restricted to Tacky rubbers, I was surprised about this when I was ‘educated’ about it
    Like yourself I thought it was just Chinese tacky rubbers that were boosted. Hey Ho!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zyu81
    Music&Ping has written several posts calling the Chinese cheaters for boosting their rubbers. He seems not to realize that non-Chinese professional players all do it as well.
    And they are cheaters as well. I've also mentioned that if you were a pro player using booster, then you've got a serious problem. I didn't mention any other country in general, but yes, to me CNT players are cheaters, chinese offcials are cheaters too, as they openly use this illegal process.As they're now the worldwide example for youngsters beginning in this sport. Terrible example...

    It's technological doping as it not allowed by the official rules, period. If the ITTF allows boostering, I'll probably give it a try, but it's a game, a game has rules to respect fairness and equity. If you don't respect the rules, then you're not fair, and you're a cheater.

    I stand corrected.
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    #91
    Anybody else wondering why only Viscaria like blades (Koto - xlc- Limba - kiri) blades have the blade and handle shape of the Viscaria: Viscaria, all Zhang Jike, lgy, now Lin Jin yu...
    I like this shape so much, but I want it with Innerforce!
    All the Innerforce have These damn slim handles and tiny wings

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    Anybody else wondering why only Viscaria like blades (Koto - xlc- Limba - kiri) blades have the blade and handle shape of the Viscaria: Viscaria, all Zhang Jike, lgy, now Lin Jin yu...
    I like this shape so much, but I want it with Innerforce!
    All the Innerforce have These damn slim handles and tiny wings
    The Harimoto IFALC handle is thicker, though not quite the shape of the Viscaria.

    I prefer the Viscaria shape too, especially the curved top of the neck.

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    https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/40007...4a117f53q88jv9
    Is this new or am I just late to the party?

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    That one is there for sone time. This one is new though
    https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0mG1eH
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    Quote Originally Posted by IB66
    People want MORE!! Spin, speed, feel!! As the others have said, boosting is NOT just restricted to Tacky rubbers, I was surprised about this when I was ‘educated’ about it
    Like yourself I thought it was just Chinese tacky rubbers that were boosted. Hey Ho!!!
    Yeah. Maybe we should phrase it as "rejuvenating built in speed glue effect".

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    "I'm using it but NOT for tacky rubbers !" So what ... ? as it's well known the purpose for boostering was first to increase the "tensor ratio" of chinese rubbers, why do you think most of the rubbers boosted nowadays are chinese rubbers ? you can all claim any so-called "good faith" whatsoever as it is against the rules, therefore it's cheating. There's no difference, it's only a pretext to try to justify the unjustifiable.

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    #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Trayanee
    That one is there for sone time. This one is new though
    https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0mG1eH
    Wow, a Butterfly Innerforce ZLC copy for around half the price...
    Build quality looks nice as well. It looks pretty tempting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuba Hajto
    https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/40007...4a117f53q88jv9
    Is this new or am I just late to the party?
    I wonder if that blade is supposed to be a copy of an HL5 or a HL5x or of a W968. The price is actual more expensive than a HL5 or HL5x, but that might be because of the "luxury" packaging.

    Does anyone have any experience with Loki blades? The prices are really tempting.

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    Wow, a Butterfly Innerforce ZLC copy for around half the price...
    Build quality looks nice as well. It looks pretty tempting.



    I wonder if that blade is supposed to be a copy of an HL5 or a HL5x or of a W968. The price is actual more expensive than a HL5 or HL5x, but that might be because of the "luxury" packaging.

    Does anyone have any experience with Loki blades? The prices are really tempting.
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    That typo though.
    if you are from US look at Gambler PLC Fire Dragon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Music&Ping
    "I'm using it but NOT for tacky rubbers !" So what ... ? as it's well known the purpose for boostering was first to increase the "tensor ratio" of chinese rubbers, why do you think most of the rubbers boosted nowadays are chinese rubbers ? you can all claim any so-called "good faith" whatsoever as it is against the rules, therefore it's cheating. There's no difference, it's only a pretext to try to justify the unjustifiable.
    I agree that rules are rules. However, I think what people are trying to point out to you is that it's not fair to say that only or mostly the Chinese players are boosting (not "boostering"). Most pros, including the Europeans, are doing it. Even in France, I know several National level players who boost their Tenergys, and I know a few guys in the US who do too.

    So between the fact that most pros regardless of their country of origin are doing it and that, whether a rubber is factory tuned or you do it yourself results in the same thing, and ITTF doesn't try to implement an effective way to enforce the rule, it might just be that the rule is flawed. So maybe the ITTF is more to blame for this breach than the players are.

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