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    Anyone know video coach Ti Long?

    I have discovered the videos of Ti Long which have English subtitles. He is a great coach and his videos are well worth watching. In one he explains about using fingers to increase spin - some coaches mention squeezing fingers but he talks about screwing or unscrewing a bottle top to make the blade curve and grip the ball.

    I would love to know his background as has his own TT centre and he is also a MMA fighter. I am not even sure what country he is from. Any ideas?

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    He was a national champion in my home country, Vietnam, a really proper pro. He then quit and opened his own club and trained a few juniors to become national-level junior players. I learnt a lot from his videos too. Especially he breaks down steps to learn from basic to advanced levels. (Although as usual, I’m pretty sure lots of watchers would just go to advanced steps in 1 week time )

    It’s a bit both fortunate and unfortunate that a lot of professional players in the country resigned and went into developing grass root like this as they need income and there aren’t simply any international exposure in my country.

    Btw, all Vietnamese techniques are Europeans, although they do training in China a lot and very likely techniques originated from China decades ago (which does tell something about how much the Chinese knows about the world’s techniques).

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    Thanks for your reply Tango. Sorry to hear that players from Vietnam find it difficult to make a living. I have heard that Vietnam is doing quite well financially so perhaps money could be invested in sports.

    Ti Long seems able to be totally relaxed then move quickly into a shot. A bit like the kung fu monks who can stand very still then chop a brick with their bare hand. Do you think his martial arts techniques help him and can we learn these techniques?

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    Martial arts is an excellent cross-training discipline with tt but not counting kicking banana stalks, breaking bricks or any otheer hard objects like tiles lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver smasher
    Thanks for your reply Tango. Sorry to hear that players from Vietnam find it difficult to make a living. I have heard that Vietnam is doing quite well financially so perhaps money could be invested in sports.

    Ti Long seems able to be totally relaxed then move quickly into a shot. A bit like the kung fu monks who can stand very still then chop a brick with their bare hand. Do you think his martial arts techniques help him and can we learn these techniques?

    i bet you have to ask him Im neither his level nor trained in martial art. but yes, relaxation is very fundamental in both. In fact, the name “innerforce” that butterfly uses for a line of blades is a literal translation of a closely-related concept in Martial Art, neigong , 內功, nội công.

    Personally, I use the ability to relax at pace to measure my success in training as that is my actual purpose at the table, not the desire to win. (Which seems at odd with everybody)

    you can ask another cross-training expert in our forum, UpSideDownCarl, who - I read somewhere - also trains in Yoga. Yoga, Buddism Meditation, and Chinese neigong come from the same source if my understanding of history is not too far off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango K
    He was a national champion in my home country, Vietnam, a really proper pro. He then quit and opened his own club and trained a few juniors to become national-level junior players. I learnt a lot from his videos too. Especially he breaks down steps to learn from basic to advanced levels. (Although as usual, I’m pretty sure lots of watchers would just go to advanced steps in 1 week time )

    It’s a bit both fortunate and unfortunate that a lot of professional players in the country resigned and went into developing grass root like this as they need income and there aren’t simply any international exposure in my country.

    Btw, all Vietnamese techniques are Europeans, although they do training in China a lot and very likely techniques originated from China decades ago (which does tell something about how much the Chinese knows about the world’s techniques).
    nice to meet you, i am from vietnam also, rarely i saw a vietnamese on this forum. <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver smasher
    I have discovered the videos of Ti Long which have English subtitles. He is a great coach and his videos are well worth watching. In one he explains about using fingers to increase spin - some coaches mention squeezing fingers but he talks about screwing or unscrewing a bottle top to make the blade curve and grip the ball.

    I would love to know his background as has his own TT centre and he is also a MMA fighter. I am not even sure what country he is from. Any ideas?

    MAGIC and GHOST serve in table tennis with Ti Long | Tips And Tactics | Serve Tricks | Xoáy xuống - YouTube
    How to Backhand Topspin Against Backspin | Tips and Tactics - YouTube
    about Ti Long coach, i dont know much about him, but on his videos you can learn step by step really well step by step. he also learn MMA and i think he also used some technique to apply in tabletennis - that is not wrong.

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    I have been a coach part time for many years and study to become a physiotherapist. Feel like kids have not so good motor control nowadays and there are many injuries in tabletennis - due to this i think it is good to try to learn from other sports, especially sports that primarly use the body. Will take a look at the videos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lula
    I have been a coach part time for many years and study to become a physiotherapist. Feel like kids have not so good motor control nowadays and there are many injuries in tabletennis - due to this i think it is good to try to learn from other sports, especially sports that primarly use the body. Will take a look at the videos!
    Physiotherapy and TT? Good stuff. It will be good to hear from you in the future regarding TT training and exercise vs duration

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango K
    He was a national champion in my home country, Vietnam, a really proper pro. He then quit and opened his own club and trained a few juniors to become national-level junior players. I learnt a lot from his videos too. Especially he breaks down steps to learn from basic to advanced levels. (Although as usual, I’m pretty sure lots of watchers would just go to advanced steps in 1 week time )

    It’s a bit both fortunate and unfortunate that a lot of professional players in the country resigned and went into developing grass root like this as they need income and there aren’t simply any international exposure in my country.
    Ti Long was a pro player but he was never the national champion. No disrespect, great player but pretty far from being top level in Vietnam. Maybe he was good enough to be in top 20-30 in his prime.

    Most Vietnamese pro players don’t have a lot of income from playing professionally, but they live pretty well with table tennis because it’s a pretty popular sport here in Vietnam. They can get decent money from coaching, tournament prizes, sponsors, selling tt stuff...

    Back to Ti Long, he has a small table tennis club and is coaching young players. He’s indeed a very good coach, his young players did well in national youth championship. About the MMA/boxing thing, i think it’s just his second passion/sport.

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    Thanks for the clarification. I googled him up to see if there is something to back his claim “kiện tướng quốc gia”, found some reliable newspapers saying he got gold in some national competitions (in mixed double though). Maybe translating to “champion” wasn’t good but I did my best

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    Coincidentally tonight before reading this thread, I watched Ti Long for a first time ever and wondered how could have I missed him. I don't think I've seen so detailed explanation about the mechanics of the BH topspin against backspin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango K
    Thanks for the clarification. I googled him up to see if there is something to back his claim “kiện tướng quốc gia”, found some reliable newspapers saying he got gold in some national competitions (in mixed double though). Maybe translating to “champion” wasn’t good but I did my best
    If you think about it, most top players don't win the top singles trophies. They were strong challengers but for one reason or the other fell just short of the big ones.

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    Coincidentally tonight before reading this thread, I watched Ti Long for a first time ever and wondered how could have I missed him. I don't think I've seen so detailed explanation about the mechanics of the BH topspin against backspin
    What do you think about his advice to use your fingers to increase spin. He says to imagine screwing up, or unscrewing, the top of a bottle on its side. Some coaches talk about squeezing your fingers but Ti Long says to push your thumb forward (on backhand topspin) and pull your fingers back. This curves the bat around the ball to increase the spin. Do the experts on this forum use this technique?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver smasher
    What do you think about his advice to use your fingers to increase spin. He says to imagine screwing up, or unscrewing, the top of a bottle on its side. Some coaches talk about squeezing your fingers but Ti Long says to push your thumb forward (on backhand topspin) and pull your fingers back. This curves the bat around the ball to increase the spin. Do the experts on this forum use this technique?
    I’m far far from expert to reply but well...

    It’s quite figurative but yes, at the end you’ll feel like all the power is concentrated into those tips. Also you feel the bat head / bat angle clearly on those tips. (I know it sounds like Chinese wuxia movies but it’s real!)

    Another thing about finger tips is that it’s actually the wrist. If I think about moving the wrist in a certain way, it’s quite loose and unpredictable. Instead if I think about controlling my finger tips (either moving them or pressing them for power), I’m actually using wrist. If you are not used to it, and do it a lot in a day, you’ll feel your wrist hurts a little.

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    I've never been told to roll my fingers like that, but to press with my thumb while BH topspinning which is more or less the same. Yeah, I will definitely revisit the Ti Long videos when clubs open....

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