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      Quote Originally Posted by Music&Ping View Post
      Evolution will likely to make us grow higher with better tonicity for sure
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      So, I am not sure at all that height has much to do with athletic achievement or "tonicity" or strength or muscle tone
      Yes. When I see these players, like WCQ, FZD, how low/wide they go, and they are not very high in EU standards, then I think we need to get even lower. I remember interview with TB where he so casually says something like: "just get a little lower". It makes such a difference...

      Because of these, and on the opposite side, the reach and longer arm => faster ball implication (like HC), came my questions about height. I can accept height is secondary easily (we have many examples, M.Ito, P.Franciska), just wanted to discuss.

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      Quote Originally Posted by latej View Post
      Yes. When I see these players, like WCQ, FZD, how low/wide they go, and they are not very high in EU standards, then I think we need to get even lower. I remember interview with TB where he so casually says something like: "just get a little lower". It makes such a difference...

      Because of these, and on the opposite side, the reach and longer arm => faster ball implication (like HC), came my questions about height. I can accept height is secondary easily (we have many examples, M.Ito, P.Franciska), just wanted to discuss.
      I think the greats adjust to whatever height they are, use the advantages, overcome the disadvantages, and still become great.

      Xu Xin is not short. Wang Liqin was not short. FZD is kind of not so tall. Ma Long is of a fairly normal height. Not tall. Not short. ZJK was of a similar height to ML. Persson was fairly tall.

      Tall with longer arms might give you greater reach enable you to cover more ground from further back.

      Shorter might give you more lateral mobility (not exactly sure but it might: see my comment about Michael Jordan's skills with lateral movement, or just watch how agile he was weaving through people). Being shorter certainly enables you to get lower with less effort which definitely is helpful for tracking and contacting the ball and for using mechanical advantage in your strokes by having your shoulder and arm closer to the height of the ball at the point of contact (more leverage).

      But there are enough examples of players of all different heights playing in a variety of ways that I am not sure what we can say with any kind of certainty.
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      Feel like there are benefits of being both shorter and taller. Can image players adapt pretty naturally after these. Would be interesting if coaches think about physical attributes like length when coaching players how to play. Probably not so much? I know that you do not want to to tall when using short pimple on the forehand but obviously it can work that too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl View Post
      I think the greats adjust to whatever height they are, use the advantages, overcome the disadvantages, and still become great.

      Xu Xin is not short. Wang Liqin was not short. FZD is kind of not so tall. Ma Long is of a fairly normal height. Not tall. Not short. ZJK was of a similar height to ML. Persson was fairly tall.

      Tall with longer arms might give you greater reach enable you to cover more ground from further back.

      Shorter might give you more lateral mobility (not exactly sure but it might: see my comment about Michael Jordan's skills with lateral movement, or just watch how agile he was weaving through people). Being shorter certainly enables you to get lower with less effort which definitely is helpful for tracking and contacting the ball and for using mechanical advantage in your strokes by having your shoulder and arm closer to the height of the ball at the point of contact (more leverage).

      But there are enough examples of players of all different heights playing in a variety of ways that I am not sure what we can say with any kind of certainty.
      There are all kind of exceptions indeed, but if we look at the PG standards in Basket Ball the last 2 decades, it's not that tall: Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Steph Curry, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul to name a few.

      Being shorter means less effort to get lower indeed, that's why the 9 in Rugby XV is fairly small: that specific scrum half job requires to see what's happening under the scrums, rucks, and to get the ball there to pass it, so most of the time you have to take the ball on the ground and pass it quick.

      That's why seeing guys like Falck or Pitchford is quite an exception to me. XU Xin is agile with an awesome footwork ability, he has better footwork than Ma Long I think, but the one's who's quicker at that job to me is definitely FZD.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Music&Ping View Post
      There are all kind of exceptions indeed, but if we look at the PG standards in Basket Ball the last 2 decades, it's not that tall: Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Steph Curry, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul to name a few.

      Being shorter means less effort to get lower indeed, that's why the 9 in Rugby XV is fairly small: that specific scrum half job requires to see what's happening under the scrums, rucks, and to get the ball there to pass it, so most of the time you have to take the ball on the ground and pass it quick.

      That's why seeing guys like Falck or Pitchford is quite an exception to me. XU Xin is agile with an awesome footwork ability, he has better footwork than Ma Long I think, but the one's who's quicker at that job to me is definitely FZD.
      Muggsy Bogues, not very tall. Spud Webb actually, a fairly normal height (only slightly shorter than Ma Long). If what you were saying was really true, these guys would not be the exception and considered amazing athletes who were able to compete against the odds.

      But Tony Parker: 6'2", Steve Nash: 6'3", Steph Curry 6'3", Jason Kidd: 6'4", Chris Paul 6'1", I would consider all of them on the taller side of regular athletes.

      But, does this mean that Lebron James (6'9") is not really a factor in the NBA today? Is he less mobile? Kevin Durant (6'10"), Anthony Davis (6'10"), Kevin Garnett (6'11").....

      To mention players from the era where I paid most attention: Karl Malone (6'9"), Scotty Pipen (6'8"), Kobe Bryant (6'6"), James Worthy (6'9"), Hakeem Olajuwon (7'0").

      So, I just don't really think what you are saying holds much water. I can also provide an alternate theory that is just as speculative and perhaps based on at least as many actual facts that perhaps the reason there are not so many tall players today in table tennis is that, an athletic child who leans towards being taller might be recruited to so many other sports that clearly are more lucrative for professional players. For most of the world, almost any sport is more lucrative than TT. (However, in China TT is quite lucrative).

      However, in the 1990s it seems there were quite a few tall TT players at the top levels: I can't think of too many aside from Persson, but Jorg Rosskopf, Zoran Primorac and Petr Korbel seem to stand out to me.

      But, again, my example of Quadri Aruna is worth noting how good he was especially considering how little training he received and the quality of the training in comparison to most top players.

      So, I just think you are putting forward a theory that, to me, does not seem to stand up to scrutiny.
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      Ma Long's sideblock has a lot more bending wrist movement and it's not as half-ar*ed and lazy. If you watch Ma Long especially for the last 2-3 years, almost in every match he did at least 2-3 sideblocks, whereas Waldner you can hardly ever see him do the sideblock only apart from this video and most of the time he only does his lazy blocking, maybe it's why he got so fat later in his career.
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      Pretty good to compete at such a high level with only lazy blocking! Wonder how good he was when he really tried.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lula View Post
      Pretty good to compete at such a high level with only lazy blocking! Wonder how good he was when he really tried.
      Rumor had it that he gave all of 'm a run, and then pretty much held his own for quite a while.

      Back in the day there wasn't nearly as much footage. I've seen the pros train, early 80s, and some tournaments and competition games as well. That sucks, when we're trying to look through a mirror in to the past to find evidence in comparison to today's highlights.

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