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    Need help with penhold grip

    so guys, i use penhold grip and I have a problem. This is my current grip:
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    Is ok for me, i use when i started play penhold, is the most confortable. But, have a problem: this grip make me have a mentality to use much and forehands on all table. I dont use much backhand (rpb for all bh techniques) and make me problems on matches.


    I have other grip i like equal the other one:

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    this grip make me use so much more backhand, make me have much more confidance on rpb because the more contact area and more "circular" feel of racket. I lost a little bit of strenght of my fh but gain 80% more strenght on my bh...

    ( i dont use three flat fingers or curled like Xu Xin and Xue Fei because my minimum finger is curved, i dont know the motive lol:

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    the point i will be talk is: why grip I use, the first make me more confortable but make some problems with bh, the second make me use more bh and more confortable mentality on matches, i use more bh.

    i change my mentality with the first grip and start use more bh or use the second grip? i dont need "change" my mentality with second.

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    Need to cut and paste my reply to make it more readable. Answering on phone and didnt see where I left off and typed my ending in the middle. Lol at me

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    Hello Sir:

    If i understand correctly:

    1st grip - most comfortable mentally plus FH dominant, almost no RPB

    2nd grip - much more RPB but FH not as strong as 1st grip

    Other members, both PH and non-PH, can probably give you better advice than me.

    For whatever this is worth, I'm an advanced beginner or a beginning intermediate player. With that said, I do NOT play tournaments, probably won't ever play tournaments. I do not mind losing if I know I played to the best of my ability. I am on the journey to Self-Perfection, looking to improve myself and don't care so much about winning or losing. I changed my game from TPB to RPB. Lost many games in about 2 years making/learning the transition. I feel I am a better player now than before as I'm well-rounded and having a few extra tools to handle situations. HOWEVER, I lost many, many times before I finally have a decent game both FH and BH side. I got "comfortable with being uncomfortable". I "invested in loss". Took about 2 years for my hard work and many losses to finally show some winning results.

    Good luck in your Training Sir! Look forward to hearing about your progress on whichever grip you choose!

    It sounds like your 2nd grip gives you a 2-wing game. Play with it more to get mentally comfortable.

    OR

    get comfortable with learning to RPB with your first grip.

    I went through 3 grips or so before settling on 1 grip as I was learning RPB.


    With that said:

    1. do you hate losing? if so, sounds like your first grip will give you challenges on balls to your BH.

    2. do you have good footwork and energy? If so the spirit of PH is FH dominance and almost always using your FH.

    3.

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    I think has a video on YouTube titled : "4 basic penhold grip " from MLFM table tennis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldschoolPenholder
    Need to cut and paste my reply to make it more readable. Answering on phone and didnt see where I left off and typed my ending in the middle. Lol at me

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    Hello Sir:

    If i understand correctly:

    1st grip - most comfortable mentally plus FH dominant, almost no RPB

    2nd grip - much more RPB but FH not as strong as 1st grip

    Other members, both PH and non-PH, can probably give you better advice than me.

    For whatever this is worth, I'm an advanced beginner or a beginning intermediate player. With that said, I do NOT play tournaments, probably won't ever play tournaments. I do not mind losing if I know I played to the best of my ability. I am on the journey to Self-Perfection, looking to improve myself and don't care so much about winning or losing. I changed my game from TPB to RPB. Lost many games in about 2 years making/learning the transition. I feel I am a better player now than before as I'm well-rounded and having a few extra tools to handle situations. HOWEVER, I lost many, many times before I finally have a decent game both FH and BH side. I got "comfortable with being uncomfortable". I "invested in loss". Took about 2 years for my hard work and many losses to finally show some winning results.

    Good luck in your Training Sir! Look forward to hearing about your progress on whichever grip you choose!

    It sounds like your 2nd grip gives you a 2-wing game. Play with it more to get mentally comfortable.

    OR

    get comfortable with learning to RPB with your first grip.

    I went through 3 grips or so before settling on 1 grip as I was learning RPB.


    With that said:

    1. do you hate losing? if so, sounds like your first grip will give you challenges on balls to your BH.

    2. do you have good footwork and energy? If so the spirit of PH is FH dominance and almost always using your FH.

    3.
    1. I hate lose when I dont do my best, when i dont do my total or minimum 70% of my capacity i hate much the lose.
    2. I have an good footwork but on process, i dont have much energy on aerobic and cardio exercises because im a little fat lol : )

    I use rpb on the first grip but on im desprepared moments i use tpb blocks and obvlious the balls goes to net. I dont feel confident with rpb on the first grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucasPrime
    I think has a video on YouTube titled : "4 basic penhold grip " from MLFM table tennis.
    so, i use the wh grip adaptation on first grip, i cant do the xx grip because my minimum finger is curled and hurt when i use the xx grip, i dont like the curl and ma lin grip.

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    Have you seen this video of Zhuang Zedong? It has helped me out greatly fixing my grip and improving my backhand. He really hits through the ball on both sides.
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    I think penholders adjust their grip like shakehanders Do during the play.

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    Are you RPB only? If not, then there is no such thing as perfect for both forehand and backhand, just find something that gets by without uncomfortable finger pressure.

    1. The first one looks OK-ish, maybe you are extending too much, but find a comfort zone and work with it. Ok to have a little more curl. Also, the tendency to hook your index finger probably comes from JPen habit, no need to bite into the handle, in fact I always found a wider front side grip easier back when I did use RPB.

    2. Claw grip? Seen a few of those when I played at a retirement recreation centre in China a few years back. Not good, not much you can do in front of the body.

    3. Zhuang Zedong is a pro... but his grip is unconventional even during his days. Good for more wrist in tradition backhand, but you almost have to lift the elbow for forehands. Cazuo Matsumoto is similar. Neither have "powerful" forehands that (IMO) all penholders should have.

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    Instead of focusing on the fingers, shadow practice without a racket and find how to best use your muscles for various shots at various heights. Then find a way to grip without having to contort your arms/wrist, always leave enough room to use wrist for topspin, smash, and flicks...

    Generally: stand a little higher (but still bent) for backhands, squat low for forehands. If RPB only, maybe work on squatting low for backhand too. Any problem can be solved if you can get lower. As long as you are not sitting on the floor, you can always get lower.

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