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    Nexy Korea new youtube channel for blade and rubber design

    Hi everyone.

    Moon Ui Bae (Oscar) is in charge of Nexy Korea, he designs all the blades and has built Nexy into the top TT webstore in Korea. Oscar just got done chatting with me on FB, he says he will very soon go live with a Youtube Channel speciffically for the design of Blades and Rubbers. His personal narration will be in ENGLISH, so you all will NOT be required to crash and burn all those precious brain cells to study Korean. He inends to make vids in English, much like he does in writing at MyTT forum on his Nexy Diary thread.

    NATE !!! SERGIO !!! German Blade Makers Goon Sqaud !!! Blade Makers !!! and anyone else who wants to crush me for not remembering your names (must have been too long in Carl's Basement prison), you will like this I think.

    Oscar's first vid will cover some of the background of wood, some design considerations, and some basic discussion on all the different plies and their roles in the end result.

    This vids will not be the PhD dissertation on blade design, but it will be interesting. The vid of course is for the average TT player and consumer, but YOU BLADE MAKERS GOT A LOT OF GREAT STUFF TO SHARE and Oscar has make dozens of blade designs already that have commercial success.

    He looks for questions and comments on his vids, so stay tuned. I will link the channel below in this post when he goes live.

    Here is the link for his Channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCX...CdEYVgtldZ5_tw

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    Looking forward to this
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    Looking also forward to this!

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    That will be great - I'm interested to hear how other people go about testing and selecting blades. At the present, I'm overwhelmed by the sheet amount of possible combinations I have access to and am struggling to know how to separate out what seem to feel like pleasant nuances of each design (e.g., "oh, this one has more flex, this would be great for someone who likes this sort of feel...") from what's "objectively" the best (e.g., "there is an ideal amount of flex for the majority of players").

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    Here is the first vid in English on this channel. You can turn on the CC and in the settings, make it whatever language. He keps the the concepts at a very fundamental level in this vid for the average player.

    Blade makers, comment on his vid on youtube, Oscar will answer. Players, ask away, here is a chance to ask the designer himself.

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    Thanks to share.

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font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} </style> <![endif]--> I have a question about the medial ply. In the video he says it supports the outer ply with power or spin. But how much? Are we talking nuances or massive differences?

    I have played the Korbel for the last two years. Now I wanted to get back to straight handle. So, instead of buying a third Korbel, I thought of getting something new this time, but still similar. I found the Nittaku Latika which has the same thickness (5,8) same head dimensions (158*152) same core (ayous) same outer ply (limba). The only difference is that the Latika has spruce as medial ply instead of limba.
    But it’s very different from the Korbel. The Latika is much faster, much stiffer, longer trajectory, lower arc and much harder to spin! The Latika actually feels and plays more like an outer carbon blade. Could all this be because of the medial ply?

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    Sam,

    Have you ever watched a Korean Drama series? At the end of each episode, something happens that is not complete and makes you watch the next episode.

    I do not think Oscar's vid was meant to be a PhD dissertation.

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    I invited Oscar to participate in this thread... he might, but if you leave a comment on YouTube in the vid he might reply there more.

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font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} </style> <![endif]--> That would be great!
    But this question is not specifically for him only. @Hipnotic, @Nate or any other on the forum are more than welcome to answer the question or to share their thoughts.

    What makes me even more confused is that my main Korbel weighs 92 and the Latika only 82. Since they have exactly the same dimensions, the Korbel has higher density. But still the Latika is so much faster.
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    But this question is not specifically for him only. @Hipnotic, @Nate or any other on the forum are more than welcome to answer the question or to share their thoughts.

    What makes me even more confused is that my main Korbel weighs 92 and the Latika only 82. Since they have exactly the same dimensions, the Korbel has higher density. But the Latika is so much faster.
    I certainly don't have all the answers, but I think what you suggested earlier is a big part of it. I have personally found that Spruce as a medial ply produces a springy type of power that you don't get with most other medial plies. The springiness is different from the flex you get from a limba medial ply, so it doesn't give that same feeling of "dwell" or flex you get in the Korbel. In addition, Spruce tends to be quite a bit lighter than Limba.

    There are so many other factors that can influence the overall weight, such as 1) the variance of the weight and density of the wood plies in each blade even if they're the same species, 2) the glue type and thickness used between plies (e.g., when I use hide-glue, my blades weigh about 5 grams less than when I use poly-glue, but sometimes I will use thicker layers of poly-glue that weigh 5 grams more than a regular, light application of poly glue), 3) handle woods, if they've been hollowed, etc.

    I hope that offers some insight!

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    Yes, the medial ply matters a lot. It affects hardness, rebound, lateral and torsional stability (sweetspot) and feedback. But in this case there is a much simpler explanation: your premise is wrong. Those compositions are not that similar. The Korbel is a 5 ply blade with a thick medial limba ply, this favors control and feedback. The extra weight on your Korbel comes from the thick Limba plies. The Latika is also a 5 ply but fundamentally different in construction. I couldn't find a clear picture to confirm if the medial ply is really spruce, but it uses thinner outer and medial plies, paired with a big a** core. That's where the speed comes from.

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    it uses thinner outer and medial plies, paired with a big a** core. That's where the speed comes from.
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    2) the glue type and thickness used between plies (e.g., when I use hide-glue, my blades weigh about 5 grams less than when I use poly-glue, but sometimes I will use thicker layers of poly-glue that weigh 5 grams more than a regular, light application of poly glue)
    How does the choice of glue and then thickness of the glue influence the blade? I have perhaps vague understanding of common wood types, but the glue is big unknown. If you could estimate how much percentualy the glue/thickness influences the blade (given the choice of plies), that would help to put it into picture. Is it so that the glue is taken more like to further accentuate what you want, or is it more important?

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    How does the choice of glue and then thickness of the glue influence the blade? I have perhaps vague understanding of common wood types, but the glue is big unknown. If you could estimate how much percentualy the glue/thickness influences the blade (given the choice of plies), that would help to put it into picture. Is it so that the glue is taken more like to further accentuate what you want, or is it more important?
    It's hard to put a percentage to it, but the glue makes a significant difference in the feeling and vibration of the blade. Hypnotic, myself, and others have built blades with identical wood compositions and only varying the glue used, and to my knowledge, nearly everyone who tries these comparison blades can detect a difference in the feeling.

    I find that hide-glue and PVA-glue allow more of the feeling of the specific woods to come through (though PVA tends to feel flatter/duller compared to Hide), while Poly-glue permeates into the wood, generally making any composition harder and stiffer (the vibrations become a bit sharper - like a faster attenuation of the vibration coming through).

    In cases where I intentionally decided to use more Poly-glue, I have done it to either for increase durability (I built a few ultra-tough blades for my local players who are in their 70s and 80s who are very hard on their equipment) or just to mess around with trying to increase the stiffness (too much, and it starts to feel a bit plastic-y). It should be noted that I don't think glue should be used to increase stiffness, as it's much better to achieve these goals with the compositions of the woods themselves (I think it's probably wisest to use the least amount of glue necessary for bonding the layers).

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    Oscar put up another vid. He goes into it a little more this time, especially with why Kiri or Ayous are good choices for core.

    You have to set the vid for auto English subs, but the translater really only makes it hilarious.

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    You have to set the vid for auto English subs, but the translater really only makes it hilarious.
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    I hope he will do more videos in English!
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    I can follow along for the most part, but it does seem like the auto-generated subtitles aren't quite right from time to time. For example, at 3:06 into the video, apparently Oscar is saying "...that contraction 1 uses Satan to prevent reflections." Maybe it's mis-translated? Maybe I've discovered a Nexy trade-secret of using deities in the composition of the blade? I'll never know.

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