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    is it possible to see what type of rubber it is? you mention provinsial? how can you see that? do they have different qualites?

    There are 3 ‘grades’ of H3/H3Neo and some other DHS rubbers like Skyline 3.
    ’commercial’ which is your bulk standard H3/H3Neo, less quality control. Sheets can vary more.
    ’provincial’ better quality control, can has less tackiness but you are more likely to get more consistency between different sheets and how they play, feel.
    ’national’ highest quality control, meant to be graded to highest standards.
    There may have been a ‘ranking’ system in China, the Chinese companies sponsor regions or provinces.
    So maybe in the past they ‘picked’ out or quality checked their rubbers, releasing the lower quality to the general public ( commercial) the better quality sheets to the ‘provincial’ team players and the best quality sheets to the ‘National’ team players.
    Then there’s the different sponges, now things get more complicated!!!

    There’s another way to view this!!!
    commercial = cheapest to buy £15+
    provincial = more expensive £49+
    national = most expensive £60 - £100 ( depending on sponge )

    Great marketing strategy!! Who wouldn’t want the best??? What the pro’s use!!!
    Some retailers will quote H3 National ‘ Ma Long’ personal rubber, or another CNT players ‘personal’ H3 / H3Neo and ask £300 or more for one sheet!!!

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    **********Great marketing strategy!! Who wouldn’t want the best???********** .........................well, ME for start 😁😁😁 and possibly hundreds of thousand ping pong players all over the known Multiverse There is an enormous majority. of us "ordinary" club and recreational players on which the top blades and top rubbers would be wasted because we simply can not play well enough to justify the purchase of those "top-goodies". Like most of us are very happy to drive a decent but average sort of a car and have no aspirations of ever purchasing a Ferrari or a Bugatty Veiron.

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    Then there’s the different sponges, now things get more complicated!!!

    For those of us (like me) who know very little about Chinese rubbers; what's the difference between the blue and orange DHS sponges? And does the blue/orange distinction apply only to the Hurricane range, or also to Skyline/other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manto76
    For those of us (like me) who know very little about Chinese rubbers; what's the difference between the blue and orange DHS sponges? And does the blue/orange distinction apply only to the Hurricane range, or also to Skyline/other?

    The orange vs blue has been discussed many times to great extent.

    https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/for...vs-blue-sponge

    https://www.google.com/search?q=oran...&bih=986&dpr=2

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    Thanks!


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    IB66;354417

    **********Great marketing strategy!! Who wouldn’t want the best???********** .........................well, ME for start 😁😁😁 and possibly hundreds of thousand ping pong players all over the known Multiverse There is an enormous majority. of us "ordinary" club and recreational players on which the top blades and top rubbers would be wasted because we simply can not play well enough to justify the purchase of those "top-goodies". Like most of us are very happy to drive a decent but average sort of a car and have no aspirations of ever purchasing a Ferrari or a Bugatty Veiron.

    Yep ability comes into it, so does expectations v reality!!!! and a sheet of H3 National for €80 or so is way more attractive than €200,000+ for a car!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timcable

    i agree - i have both the 45 and the hl5. the 45 is much much slower

    Do you feel any difference between the 2 blades?


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    Quote Originally Posted by IB66
    Yep ability comes into it, so does expectations v reality!!!! and a sheet of H3 National for €80 or so is way more attractive than €200,000+ for a car!!!!!!!

    To be fair, if the commecial/provincial/national distinction really is rooted in a strict QA selection process, then it's not just a marketing ploy. The 'prime cuts' can be expected to be rather rare, and the selection process somewhat involved/costly. That does more or less automatically create a high tension of very short supply versus potentially very high demand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yoass

    To be fair, if the commecial/provincial/national distinction really is rooted in a strict QA selection process, then it's not just a marketing ploy. The 'prime cuts' can be expected to be rather rare, and the selection process somewhat involved/costly. That does more or less automatically create a high tension of very short supply versus potentially very high demand.

    I will try to make it a little more clear on this issue.
    Add 1) The provincial and national editions of DHS for merchants are very limited.
    Add 2) A lot of players think that H3 with a blue sponge will help them on the rise. I do not recommend players to buy BS if they do not have a very good experience with rubber modification. Booster and glue will do the right magic.
    Add 3) The blue sponge is different, fragile and without experience the rubber will destroy or the player will be disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harty
    Add 2) A lot of players think that H3 with a blue sponge will help them on the rise. I do not recommend players to buy BS if they do not have a very good experience with rubber modification. Booster and glue will do the right magic.


    This is with 3 very thin layers of Falco Tempo, each applied approx. after a day. Does the Haifu Seamoon booster make it softer and react differently - not curl so much? After 2 days glued with 3 layers of Revo Nr3 on rubber and 2 on blade. What glue do you prefer and how many layers do you use?
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    This is with 3 very thin layers of Falco Tempo, each applied approx. after a day. Does the Haifu Seamoon booster make it softer and react differently - not curl so much? After 2 days glued with 3 layers of Revo Nr3 on rubber and 2 on blade. What glue do you prefer and how many layers do you use?

    It is not the number of layers at all. I follow a visual perception. Here it is beautiful to see (if the layers were about the same) how the soft and hard sponge reacts. Yes, that is correct.
    I do it a little differently, first I put the glue (quite a lot), then I apply Seamoon in thin layers to the same bend as you have.
    I don't give any more glue.
    After the last layer of the booster, the glue must not be soft (greasy) for the rubber to stick well, just wait 24 hours and it's good.
    Falco is too greasy and there are some problems with it on the edges.
    I always give thin layers of booster to make it consistent across the surface. With a thicker layer, it will make a larger volume somewhere, because it cannot be spread so well and evenly. Always thin layers of booster, I never counted them, visual perception is important.

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    This is with 3 very thin layers of Falco Tempo, each applied approx. after a day. Does the Haifu Seamoon booster make it softer and react differently - not curl so much? After 2 days glued with 3 layers of Revo Nr3 on rubber and 2 on blade. What glue do you prefer and how many layers do you use?

    Sorry, I forgot, I prefer Haifu water-based glue.
    I recommend enough glue (then it's magic).

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    It is not the number of layers at all. I follow a visual perception. Here it is beautiful to see (if the layers were about the same) how the soft and hard sponge reacts. Yes, that is correct.
    I do it a little differently, first I put the glue (quite a lot), then I apply Seamoon in thin layers to the same bend as you have.
    I don't give any more glue.
    After the last layer of the booster, the glue must not be soft (greasy) for the rubber to stick well, just wait 24 hours and it's good.
    Falco is too greasy and there are some problems with it on the edges.
    I always give thin layers of booster to make it consistent across the surface. With a thicker layer, it will make a larger volume somewhere, because it cannot be spread so well and evenly. Always thin layers of booster, I never counted them, visual perception is important.


    Thanks a lot, I'm gonna try Seamoon and Haifu glue next time. It's a pitty I can't get Haifu glue in 250ml, that is about the right amount for me, but 60ml is OK too.


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    I have both FTL and Seamoon and use them next to each other for a fair comparison (on various chinese rubbers) So far FTL seems to be the stronger booster

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    I have both FTL and Seamoon and use them next to each other for a fair comparison (on various chinese rubbers) So far FTL seems to be the stronger booster
    Thanks. What would you say about the durability? Approx. the same?

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    So far I can judge on the results of the only two identical rubbers-TG3NEO 39°
    After removing them in two weeks or so, I can say that the one with the Seamoon has lost the tension and returned to its initial dome position while the FTL was still laying flat.
    It seems that the FTL lasts longer.
    FTL also made the rubber feel softer.
    None of these rubbers was new

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolev
    So far I can judge on the results of the only two identical rubbers-TG3NEO 39°
    After removing them in two weeks or so, I can say that the one with the Seamoon has lost the tension and returned to its initial dome position while the FTL was still laying flat.
    It seems that the FTL lasts longer.
    FTL also made the rubber feel softer.
    None of these rubbers was new
    Thanks. You know I asked about the Seamoon because of this video. See how the rubber looks soft when applying the second layer of the booster, and it is not that much curled/bent. None of my H3s or B2s reacted this way on the FTL. Harty gets the same bent/curl with Seamoon, and the only difference what remains is that the rubber in the video is H3 national - and I am refusing to jump that bandwagon, even though IB66's justification is totally believable :-) Not that I actually want to make the rubber much softer, but I wonder, how does he do it?


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    If i had known 12 years ago that boosting was such a painstaking process (as in this video) I would have never started.
    I boost like some other guys in other videos do, on a CLEAN sponge, tiny layer, waiting for absorption, another layer, absorption, maybe one more, waiting till the dome almost settles, glueing, pressing..... Done 👍.
    The results and tming will vary with different boosters on different rubbers, but thats a big part of the thrill.
    BTW, I certainly don't want my rubbers mushy, so after quite a few miscarriages I have become extra careful while applying booster. The more the expensive the rubber the more the care should be taken

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