A noobish question about the ball going beyond the table

The actual info is, you can't do it if you don't have sufficient technique.

Post video footage and we will probably be able to tell you why you are having trouble keeping the ball from going long.

But, the other way of dealing with this is getting a blade and rubbers you actually can handle. Because what you are actually talking about only happens when you don't have the technique to handle the equipment you are using.

lots of factors without seeing the video but they might be one or all:
1. too large of a swing.
2. open angle for a racket that needs a closed angle.
3. the type of shot made is not appropriate to the incoming spin.

All pertains to underdeveloped skills.

Originally Posted by doppelganger_LT

Thanks for the replies, but it was more a hypothetical question, I just noticed that Dignics 09C requires much more closed angle against heavier topspin, so I started wondering. Also, hitting the very top of the ball becomes a pure topsheet brushing action, how do you engage the sponge in such case?

it is because D09c behaves similar to a Chinese rubber that has less tackiness but is very bouncy and offers more speed. The amount of grip in the D09c topsheet ensures that you only need a not-so-open blade angle which you can concentrate more forward speed.

Dpgr, the very first thing I could tell you to greatly help control and consistency is to make sure your grip at impact is very very loose. Make extra sure of that.

Loose grip at impact with a shorter but positive swing is a top secret of top players to control high speed and high spin balls.

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The loose grip vs high energy balls works so well some say it should be illegal.

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Originally Posted by Der_Echte

Dpgr, the very first thing I could tell you to greatly help control and consistency is to make sure your grip at impact is very very loose. Make extra sure of that.

Loose grip at impact with a shorter but positive swing is a top secret of top players to control high speed and high spin balls.

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Very important.

Other thing that comes to mind is not to lift your elbow or tense your shoulder.

Originally Posted by doppelganger_LT

[fsize=11pt]If I want to counter it with a topspin without sending 2 meters beyond the table, the only way seems to close the blade completely and brush the very top of the ball, especially with hybrid rubbers like Rakza Z and Dignics 09C. [/fsize]

You are making an assumption and leaving some things out.

The first thing that you are assuming is that you have to brush the ball a lot. However, this isn't true. If you just want to countertopspin, you don't have to do some kind of SUPER BRUSH type of shot. A loop drive will do fine. I think you are assuming that you need to spin the ball real hard on a countertopspin, which is why you said "the only way seems to close the blade completely and brush the very top of the ball." However, this isn't true. You don't need to spin the ball real hard like you are looping underspin.

One variable that you are completely leaving out is your arm swing and it's start and end points. From my personal experience, if you raise the height of your start of your swing, you end up making your swing angle much more forwards and less upwards, and you can use much more open racket angles. Similar to closing your racket, swinging forward and through the ball is another way to bring your loop's trajectory lower and on to the table.

One thing you are leaving out is whether you were ready for counter or not. If you are simply reacting to a strong loop, it is unrealistic to think that you can perform a strong countertopspin right away. The best thing to do is probably block or lob until you are ready to do a counter.

Another thing that you are leaving out is the literal location of the ball. How high is the ball when it reaches you? How far away from the table is the ball when it reaches you? If you are ready to countertopspin from close to the table, you can catch the ball from a lower height and use a more open racket angle. If you are further away from the table, you can choose to wait for the ball to drop a bit so that you can use a more open racket angle. If you are forced to counter at the top of the bounce and the ball is quite high, you shouldn't be brushing that ball a lot. You should be swinging through the ball, and drive it down on to the table.

Have not read the other comments and did not really understood the question but i think you want to counterloop?I think many players have the wrong approach to this.Many proably decide beforehand and time wrong, some also want to kill the ball and do a big swing and time wrong and some just are too aggressive.I think it is better to think that block is the foundation and counterloop is just an extension of the block:With a big swing you often come to far with racket from the ball so it is hard with timing and the opponent will see the counterloop from miles away. Better to just go from the block, let the ball come close then just add a little. Safe and the opponent will not see it coming so easily. Timo Boll is really good at this. He never just block, always ad a little. Then of course if you see that this ball is easy then you can do more. So you should not decide beforehand.You could also try to hold the racket a little harder when they are looping hard to be able to use their power.I also think many players use the arm way to much when blocking forehand. Using the arm is not safe. Block more by moving the body is much more safe.I do not know how new you are as a player but many new players just think power and spin. A safe block with good placement can proably many times be just as good. And do not need to counterloop so hard, as long as there is some difference all the time.Edit: i forget this. I think it is good to think that if you just want to play a block it is important to take it early before it get high, but if you want to do a harder counterloop it is easier to attack it if you wait for the ball to go to the highest point.A video would proably be much more helpful for you. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Lula

Have not read the other comments and did not really understood the question but i think you want to counterloop?I think many players have the wrong approach to this.Many proably decide beforehand and time wrong, some also want to kill the ball and do a big swing and time wrong and some just are too aggressive.I think it is better to think that block is the foundation and counterloop is just an extension of the block:With a big swing you often come to far with racket from the ball so it is hard with timing and the opponent will see the counterloop from miles away. Better to just go from the block, let the ball come close then just add a little. Safe and the opponent will not see it coming so easily. Timo Boll is really good at this. He never just block, always ad a little. Then of course if you see that this ball is easy then you can do more. So you should not decide beforehand.You could also try to hold the racket a little harder when they are looping hard to be able to use their power.I also think many players use the arm way to much when blocking forehand. Using the arm is not safe. Block more by moving the body is much more safe.I do not know how new you are as a player but many new players just think power and spin. A safe block with good placement can proably many times be just as good. And do not need to counterloop so hard, as long as there is some difference all the time.Edit: i forget this. I think it is good to think that if you just want to play a block it is important to take it early before it get high, but if you want to do a harder counterloop it is easier to attack it if you wait for the ball to go to the highest point.A video would proably be much more helpful for you. Good luck!

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