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    PandaPong TENERGY 19 Review (15 mins)

    Hey everyone, here's my tenergy 19 review. I explain my detailed thoughts about the rubber, I hope it's helpful! Let me know what you think in the youtube comments or below. Thanks a lot!

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    Hey everyone, here's my tenergy 19 review. I explain my detailed thoughts about the rubber, I hope it's helpful! Let me know what you think in the youtube comments or below. Thanks!https://youtu.be/f8cGG8rTUB8
    Nice review! I was waiting for it lol. The only thing you didn't cover that I'd like to know is if T19 feels softer, harder or the same compared to T05 and T80 (like how T80 feels a bit softer than T05, due to the difference in pimples).

    Stretching is great and can really improve your game and recovery, but I think you've found out that you should do it a little bit every day and in spurts, not for 2 hours straight! Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas.pong
    Nice review! I was waiting for it lol. The only thing you didn't cover that I'd like to know is if T19 feels softer, harder or the same compared to T05 and T80 (like how T80 feels a bit softer than T05, due to the difference in pimples).

    Stretching is great and can really improve your game and recovery, but I think you've found out that you should do it a little bit every day and in spurts, not for 2 hours straight! Lol.
    Thanks, I replied to you in the YouTube comments

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    Good stuff! Reviews about t19 are scarce at the moment, so its a big help!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Zhao
    Hey everyone, here's my tenergy 19 review. I explain my detailed thoughts about the rubber, I hope it's helpful! Let me know what you think in the youtube comments or below. Thanks a lot!

    Hi Brian,

    Great review!!
    last weekend I relapsed and went all out EJ retard!!!
    Bought a Viscaria, T05 and T19 both in 1.9mm.
    I’ve never tried T05, and just had to give it a go, to see what all the fuss is about!!!
    received them yesterday and glued them up, used them for the first time today.
    Previously I have tried T80FX in max and D09C in 1.9mm.

    I could only practice with a robot, still lockdown here.
    Initial thoughts are that both are very similar, and for me the main difference that was really noticeable was the throw / trajectory / arc of T19 being lower, took a few adjustments when topspin v backspin.
    The other ‘feel’ that stuck out, was that both felt fairly hard, especially compared to Rakza Z, which really lets the ball sink in (mounted on a Acoustic Inner). D09C also felt harder in comparison to Rakza Z as well.
    I’ll practice again tomorrow and see if I can feel the difference in ‘dwell’ between the 2 tenergy’s although my limited skills may not suffice!!! Also the thinner sponge and fairly stiff blade may affect ‘dwell’

    Serving with both was good, high spin, a little harder to control compared to Rakza Z because of the catapult of the spring sponge. Spin similar to Rakza Z and many other rubbers out there!!

    Overall, I quite liked both rubbers, the blade was great!!

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    Hi Brian,

    Great review!!
    last weekend I relapsed and went all out EJ retard!!!
    Bought a Viscaria, T05 and T19 both in 1.9mm.
    I’ve never tried T05, and just had to give it a go, to see what all the fuss is about!!!
    received them yesterday and glued them up, used them for the first time today.
    Previously I have tried T80FX in max and D09C in 1.9mm.

    I could only practice with a robot, still lockdown here.
    Initial thoughts are that both are very similar, and for me the main difference that was really noticeable was the throw / trajectory / arc of T19 being lower, took a few adjustments when topspin v backspin.
    The other ‘feel’ that stuck out, was that both felt fairly hard, especially compared to Rakza Z, which really lets the ball sink in (mounted on a Acoustic Inner). D09C also felt harder in comparison to Rakza Z as well.
    I’ll practice again tomorrow and see if I can feel the difference in ‘dwell’ between the 2 tenergy’s although my limited skills may not suffice!!! Also the thinner sponge and fairly stiff blade may affect ‘dwell’

    Serving with both was good, high spin, a little harder to control compared to Rakza Z because of the catapult of the spring sponge. Spin similar to Rakza Z and many other rubbers out there!!

    Overall, I quite liked both rubbers, the blade was great!!

    Interested to hear more of your impressions down the road on T19 and T05 as well as T80 FX and D09C.

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    Interested to hear more of your impressions down the road on T19 and T05 as well as T80 FX and D09C.

    Compared with t80fx , it is much harder, just like t05. Comparing with d09c is difficult because its totally different rubber, but I will try: sponge on 09c is much harder, but because of its stickiness it holds the ball long enough for you to finish your stroke, so t19 is somewhere in between (in terms of holding the ball) d09c and 05. All in all it is easy to play with t19 on both sides. Holding the ball is more like T80fx, but speed is more like T05. And the feel, IMO, is exactly like T05, only contact time is longer. Hope that helps a little

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    Compared with t80fx , it is much harder, just like t05. Comparing with d09c is difficult because its totally different rubber, but I will try: sponge on 09c is much harder, but because of its stickiness it holds the ball long enough for you to finish your stroke, so t19 is somewhere in between (in terms of holding the ball) d09c and 05. All in all it is easy to play with t19 on both sides. Holding the ball is more like T80fx, but speed is more like T05. And the feel, IMO, is exactly like T05, only contact time is longer. Hope that helps a little

    Thanks Vombi, it's helpful.

    I like T05 on my FH, but not on my BH (feels too hard, doesn't engage the sponge). I also like T05 FX, on both wings, although I'm starting to think its topsheet still feels too hard for me on the BH of my Viscaria (didn't have that problem on other blades including Harimoto ALC). So for the BH of my Viscaria, I'm looking for a rubber which topsheet doesn't feel as hard as 05 and engages the sponge more easily. I remember really liking T80 (on Innerforce ALC), but finding T64 to be too mushy, but I haven't tried these two rubbers in quite a while, and don't own them anymore. So I'm thinking of trying T80 or T64 again, or T19 for the first time, or reverting back to T80 FX or Rozena. There you go! 😅
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas.pong
    Thanks Vombi, it's helpful.

    I like T05 on my FH, but not on my BH (feels too hard, doesn't engage the sponge). I also like T05 FX, on both wings, although I'm starting to think its topsheet still feels too hard for me on the BH of my Viscaria (didn't have that problem on other blades including Harimoto ALC). So for the BH of my Viscaria, I'm looking for a rubber which topsheet doesn't feel as hard as 05 and engages the sponge more easily. I remember really liking T80 (on Innerforce ALC), but finding T64 to be too mushy, but I haven't tried these two rubbers in quite a while, and don't own them anymore. So I'm thinking of trying T80 or T64 again, or T19 for the first time, or reverting back to T80 FX or Rozena. There you go! 😅

    Hey Thomas. I think you may be finding hardness due to blade rather than rubber. You stated you previously used HM or IFL they will feel softer due to the outer layer being Limba compared to viscaria having harder outer layer of Koto.

    I have used T05, T80 and T05FX in the past and there’s little difference in feel between T05 and T80 but T05fx definitely felt softer due to sponge. I think the difference you may be feeling could be due to blade, I think there is a greater difference in feeling between Viscaria and IFL than there will be between T05,T19, T80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas.pong
    Thanks Vombi, it's helpful.

    I like T05 on my FH, but not on my BH (feels too hard, doesn't engage the sponge). I also like T05 FX, on both wings, although I'm starting to think its topsheet still feels too hard for me on the BH of my Viscaria (didn't have that problem on other blades including Harimoto ALC). So for the BH of my Viscaria, I'm looking for a rubber which topsheet doesn't feel as hard as 05 and engages the sponge more easily. I remember really liking T80 (on Innerforce ALC), but finding T64 to be too mushy, but I haven't tried these two rubbers in quite a while, and don't own them anymore. So I'm thinking of trying T80 or T64 again, or T19 for the first time, or reverting back to T80 FX or Rozena. There you go! 😅

    Ur wellcome Thomas! I've played with t19 couple of matches and I have posted a review of T19 with little more details, if you are interested check it out, it could help to make your decision. IMO t19 is far better then t80fx or rozena. Sounds like you are a seasoned player , so T19 is my recommendation over other tenergy rubbers, based on what you wrote about your preferences. Cheers

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    Interested to hear more of your impressions down the road on T19 and T05 as well as T80 FX and D09C.
    Hi Thomas,
    just posted a more comprehensive review in the review section, 😁

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    Hi Thomas,
    just posted a more comprehensive review in the review section, 😁
    Thanks IB!

    Looking forward to reading it!

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    Hi Thomas,
    just posted a more comprehensive review in the review section, 😁
    Excellent review btw!

    On a side note, it'll be interesting to see what you think of the Viscaria once you've tried H3 on it, and Tenergy 05/19 once you've maybe tried them on your Acoustics and HL5.

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    Hi Brian!
    I think that in terms of feeling, we can all have close opinion about T19. Yes, its definitely easy to play with. But, maybe i can add one more conclusion/ its seems that T19 is somewhere between D05 and T05. In my opinion, t19 have soft touch off d05 and almost identical catapult effect as t05. Also the angle is higher than d05 but lower than t05 with flat trajectory witch sink little bit like 09c. So my final conclusion is that t19 is dream rubber for intermediate players.

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    It is all opinion.
    Why not shoot a TT ball at a paddle in a vice and look at the difference in the rebound?
    Don't give opinions, if you show one ball bounce farther and at a different angle, it is easy to see which rubber is faster and will create more spin.

    As far as softness goes. Why not cut out a 1 cm^2 section from the trimmings and put weights on it to see how far one compresses relative to the other?

    In the end it is a matter of what you can do with one rubber that you can't with another rubber but this must be weighted by the frequency these small difference matter. I would rather play with anything that is best for getting trough the first 4 strokes over some new super duper rubber that fails in this area.
    I want a rubber that is good for serving, returning serve and makes it easy to open aggressively.

    BTW, control is a function of the human. You can give t05 to a noob and a clip board to an experienced player and guess who wins?




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    It is all opinion.Why not shoot a TT ball at a paddle in a vice and look at the difference in the rebound?Don't give opinions, if you show one ball bounce farther and at a different angle, it is easy to see which rubber is faster and will create more spin.As far as softness goes. Why not cut out a 1 cm^2 section from the trimmings and put weights on it to see how far one compresses relative to the other?In the end it is a matter of what you can do with one rubber that you can't with another rubber but this must be weighted by the frequency these small difference matter. I would rather play with anything that is best for getting trough the first 4 strokes over some new super duper rubber that fails in this area.I want a rubber that is good for serving, returning serve and makes it easy to open aggressively.BTW, control is a function of the human. You can give t05 to a noob and a clip board to an experienced player and guess who wins?
    BB, you make some good points, per usual, and some bad points, also per usual.

    Like Zeio pointed out, a user review is just that, and it has its value.

    What you describe is a quantitative experiment to determine quality, which would prove useful as well.

    You keep making the same point, and I would love for you to do the work and show us the all valuable data. You've said many times it would be fast and easy, why not start a little blog, site or the likes like TTGear Lab but with your own measurements?

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    This video is basically a repeat of the video below.
    The comments about trajectory were identical. However, both rubbers could generate the same trajectory. The trajectory is determined by the impulse applied to the ball. Both rubbers can generate the same impulse. The comments about dwell time or holding the ball on the paddle are bogus. You can't feel the difference of a few microseconds even if you are Timo Boll. No one has yet explained what is necessary to length the "dwell time". "Dwell time" is such a bad word because it implies the ball is just sitting there when in fact is is always decelerating after impact until the velocity is zero then accelerates in the opposite direction away from the paddle. The ball does not really "dwell" except for certain conditions that no one has explained yet.

    Zeio should know I don't joke.
    Zeio still need to explain now reduced mass applies to TT.

    T19 is just another admission that Butterfly either didn't get it right the first time or they are selling inferior stuff now just to take advantage of ignorant TT players that think equipment is the answer.

    It is the impulse that determines the trajectory of the ball. T05, D05, T19, Rakza xx, Rasanter xx can all generate the same impulse but it may take a slightly different stroke but people are adaptable..


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    This video is basically a repeat of the video below.
    The comments about trajectory were identical. However, both rubbers could generate the same trajectory. The trajectory is determined by the impulse applied to the ball. Both rubbers can generate the same impulse. The comments about dwell time or holding the ball on the paddle are bogus. You can't feel the difference of a few microseconds even if you are Timo Boll. No one has yet explained what is necessary to length the "dwell time". "Dwell time" is such a bad word because it implies the ball is just sitting there when in fact is is always decelerating after impact until the velocity is zero then accelerates in the opposite direction away from the paddle. The ball does not really "dwell" except for certain conditions that no one has explained yet.

    Zeio should know I don't joke.
    Zeio still need to explain now reduced mass applies to TT.

    T19 is just another admission that Butterfly either didn't get it right the first time or they are selling inferior stuff now just to take advantage of ignorant TT players that think equipment is the answer.

    It is the impulse that determines the trajectory of the ball. T05, D05, T19, Rakza xx, Rasanter xx can all generate the same impulse but it may take a slightly different stroke but people are adaptable..

    Man vs. Machine... as if ball feel as nothing to do with the game and we're all so adaptable, just turn a few buttons on the back of the head and you're calibrated and good to go. If you want to measure dwell or anything else, go for it, I'd love to see it, no one's trying to do it in their head, they're just relating a feeling, which is some measure, however flawed, personal or abstract. Timo or Brian's feelings seem to produce results when they're playing.

    You always talk about Butterfly "getting it right" or not the first time around. We all know what's right/good for one person is not for everyone. Suppose "getting it right" is "getting it right again but different" however small or big the differences, to give people more options, whether they really need them or not is for them to figure out. Again, bottom line, equipment is not the answer, practice to sharpen your technique is, but equipment plays a small yet important part in that. Like you say, since you need a slightly different stroke with different rubbers to generate the same impulse, then with the same stroke these rubbers would generate slightly different impulses, which plays a part in a fast sport played with a small and light spinny ball on a small table.

    PS: Brian's video came out first. Timo's seems fairly honest (too). They differ on some points, and it comes down to how these rubbers feel and how they perform for them and how they might suit other people's preferences.

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