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    Interesting you say this because I was thinking of swapping the r47 on the FH to the 48 because apparently its spinner and has a softer feel. Was tossing up between that and the Xiom omega 7 pro because the r47 doesn't seem very durable at all. My BH Ximo Euro always seems to last way longer and I'd say I'm a slightly BH oriented player.

    As far as blades go guys I probably going to go with a solid 5 play OFF blade because I feel no matter how fast or slow the blade is with my current standard I'm still hitting balls long due to bad footwork/technique (had a rough night of league matches :'( )

    Sounds like your FH rubber is too fast and has too much kick for you. R48 and Omega VII Pro would last longer but not fix that problem.

    Since you really like Vega Europe on your BH, have you thought about using it on your FH as well / both sides, for more control so you can work on your technique more easily and fix issues?

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    Sounds like your FH rubber is too fast and has too much kick for you. R48 and Omega VII Pro would last longer but not fix that problem.

    Since you really like Vega Europe on your BH, have you thought about using it on your FH as well / both sides, for more control so you can work on your technique more easily and fix issues?
    Probably wouldn't be a bad idea TBH. I did have the R42 on the FH and after a year of that thought the R47 might be the play, but soon after I changed we got hit with Covid so haven't had enough practice with that rubber. Maybe swapping to the slower FH rubber and faster blade will even things out for 6 months or so.

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    Probably wouldn't be a bad idea TBH. I did have the R42 on the FH and after a year of that thought the R47 might be the play, but soon after I changed we got hit with Covid so haven't had enough practice with that rubber. Maybe swapping to the slower FH rubber and faster blade will even things out for 6 months or so.
    That's what I'm thinking too, and it definitely seems like it would make the most sense.

    The blade is the base, so you can get good support from it, the rubbers can act crazy and unpredictably if you don't have the correct technique, footwork... Going from R42 to R47 is a huge jump.

    The right pairing is important. If you want a bit more speed while retaining good control coming from an ALL blade, better to go to an OFF- 5-ply all-wood and keep the rubbers you were accustomed to (R42 both sides), than to go up several notches up in rubbers (R47). So a blade like a Primorac OFF-, Korbel, Offensive S, Stratus Power Wood, Azalea OFF, Acoustic, Virtuoso OFF- paired with two R42's would be good. Many of my clubmates play with that. On the side you can also put Vega Japan, Rozena or Factive (all mild 45 deg) on your Appelgren to experiment and compare with your new blade side by side.

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    The Vega Japan is definitely slower than the Rasanter but the spin is very good and also the control is for a celluloid ball before so it is is a good option for the forehand if you change to a faster blade.
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    Thinking I'm going to get the 5 ply OFF with the Xiom Omega euro on the BH and then having the same on the FH or swapping back to the R42 (probs xiom due to durability)

    In theory what do you guys think if i went the 7ply OFF instead but super downgraded in rubbers? say Xiom intro on both sides with probs 2.0 or 1.9mm thickness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bus
    Thinking I'm going to get the 5 ply OFF with the Xiom Omega euro on the BH and then having the same on the FH or swapping back to the R42 (probs xiom due to durability)

    In theory what do you guys think if i went the 7ply OFF instead but super downgraded in rubbers? say Xiom intro on both sides with probs 2.0 or 1.9mm thickness?

    Viable option. Vega Intro both sides at 2.0mm is good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bus
    Thinking I'm going to get the 5 ply OFF with the Xiom Omega euro on the BH and then having the same on the FH or swapping back to the R42 (probs xiom due to durability)

    In theory what do you guys think if i went the 7ply OFF instead but super downgraded in rubbers? say Xiom intro on both sides with probs 2.0 or 1.9mm thickness?
    Going the 5-ply OFF- classic route is the clearest and safest, it will provide you with more feel and control which is what you need to improve your technique, while still giving you a bump in speed, and it won't feel too dissimilar from your current blade. Then it will be easier to calibrate and upgrade rubbers in the future. You can pair that with that the Xiom Omega Euro or R42 on both sides very well and you won't feel lost, in fact, it should be more comfortable.

    You'd be getting a very different feel from a 7-ply, something hard and stiff, so less touch and feel, a lot of kick, good for hitting, harder to produce spin. Then you'd very likely not have fun with the downgraded rubbers, coming from R42, R47 and Omega VII Euro... But if you're looking to be a hitter and not develop a better topspin, I'd say go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas.pong
    Going the 5-ply OFF- classic route is the clearest and safest, it will provide you with more feel and control which is what you need to improve your technique, while still giving you a bump in speed, and it won't feel too dissimilar from your current blade. Then it will be easier to calibrate and upgrade rubbers in the future. You can pair that with that the Xiom Omega Euro or R42 on both sides very well and you won't feel lost, in fact, it should be more comfortable.

    You'd be getting a very different feel from a 7-ply, something hard and stiff, so less touch and feel, a lot of kick, good for hitting, harder to produce spin. Then you'd very likely not have fun with the downgraded rubbers, coming from R42, R47 and Omega VII Euro... But if you're looking to be a hitter and not develop a better topspin, I'd say go for it.

    I would still say depends on the combination of the 7 ply blade. The older generations of esn rubbers can still be very spinny but the control is much better as they are made for cellu balls. Sure the speed maybe less but the compensating factor is the faster 7 ply all wood blade. With his level, he should start wit a Combo that is more on spin for the rubber and the speed will just be compensated by the blade. I believe this is one way to solve the problem.

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    I would still say depends on the combination of the 7 ply blade. The older generations of esn rubbers can still be very spinny but the control is much better as they are made for cellu balls. Sure the speed maybe less but the compensating factor is the faster 7 ply all wood blade. With his level, he should start wit a Combo that is more on spin for the rubber and the speed will just be compensated by the blade. I believe this is one way to solve the problem.

    Don't get me wrong, it's definitely one way, but on the other end, he'd have to go with some of the most moderate rubbers like Vega Intro, and that coupled with the 7-ply (much less feel) has real chances of throwing him off. Whereas a 5-ply with old gen ESN like Vega Japan seems to me like a more straightforward compromise and transition from what he's currently using.

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    Don't get me wrong, it's definitely one way, but on the other end, he'd have to go with some of the most moderate rubbers like Vega Intro, and that coupled with the 7-ply (much less feel) has real chances of throwing him off. Whereas a 5-ply with old gen ESN like Vega Japan seems to me like a more straightforward compromise and transition from what he's currently using.

    I am not disagreeing but just pointing out that it is still a viable option as long as the combination is right. He can even have chinese rubbers both sides, those soft but spinny ones and will still make him learn to use a faster blad. Modern Chinese rubbers now are so diverse that you can have dozens of combo. For example, he will get a clipper or extreme s but when paired with one Mars 2 or sanwei Taiji, he will heave a controllable setup but guaranteed to be spinny and has good speed. He can outgrow the rubbers and change into a different one in a span of 6 months if he plays seriously.

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