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    Hybrid rubbers how close to Tacky Chinese or Grippy ESN spring sponge?

    So, I was thinking that a list of Hybrid rubbers and where they sit in relation to Chinese tacky rubbers (CTR’s) at one end of the scale and grippy ESN/Spring sponges at the other end would be a good idea.
    criteria such as amount of bounce, tackiness, general feel etc

    This would give an insight to someone thinking of changing from one to the other!!
    There’s a good few rubbers that I haven’t used, it’s a pretty short list!!! so feel free to add to the list.

    top of the list is close to CTR’s bottom closer to ESN/SS

    Xiom Tau 2
    Victas Triple Double Extra
    Nittaku Hurricane Pro 3 Turbo Blue
    Nittaku Hurricane Pro 3 Turbo Orange
    Joola Golden Tango
    Joola Golden Tango PS
    Loki Arthur Asia
    Loki Arthur Europe
    Victas Triple Extra
    Yasaka Rakza Z
    BTY SpinArt
    Donic Bluegrip V1
    Nittaku PK50
    Victas 07 Sticky Extra
    Donic Bluegrip C2
    Xiom Omega 7 China Guang & Ying
    BTY D09C

    Should BTY Aibiss be added? I’m not totally sure!! Some people say it has a spring sponge, but a BTY list that I looked at showing type of sponge didn’t list Aibiss sponge as a Spring Sponge. It sure doesn’t play like it has a spring sponge!! I feel that it’s BTY attempt at H3 .

    If you think I’ve got a rubber (or some rubbers!!) in the wrong place then swap around!! It will be interesting to see how people’s take on this varies!!

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    I have only played with D09c and Rakza Z from your list. To me, Rakza Z felt soft and bouncy. Good, but very similar to other ESN products. I would consider Rakza Z as a backhand rubber. The hardness of D09c makes it a lot more similar to Chinese tacky rubber imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IB66
    So, I was thinking that a list of Hybrid rubbers and where they sit in relation to Chinese tacky rubbers (CTR’s) at one end of the scale and grippy ESN/Spring sponges at the other end would be a good idea.
    criteria such as amount of bounce, tackiness, general feel etc

    This would give an insight to someone thinking of changing from one to the other!!
    There’s a good few rubbers that I haven’t used, it’s a pretty short list!!! so feel free to add to the list.

    top of the list is close to CTR’s bottom closer to ESN/SS

    Xiom Tau 2
    Joola Golden Tango
    Joola Golden Tango PS
    Yasaka Rakza Z
    BTY SpinArt
    Donic Bluegrip V1
    Donic Bluegrip C2
    BTY D09C

    Should BTY Aibiss be added? I’m not totally sure!! Some people say it has a spring sponge, but a BTY list that I looked at showing type of sponge didn’t list Aibiss sponge as a Spring Sponge. It sure doesn’t play like it has a spring sponge!! I feel that it’s BTY attempt at H3 .

    If you think I’ve got a rubber (or some rubbers!!) in the wrong place then swap around!! It will be interesting to see how people’s take on this varies!!

    AIBISS is like a chinese rubber but it's sponge is much harder than h3 41 degrees or D09c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IB66
    So, I was thinking that a list of Hybrid rubbers and where they sit in relation to Chinese tacky rubbers (CTR’s) at one end of the scale and grippy ESN/Spring sponges at the other end would be a good idea.
    criteria such as amount of bounce, tackiness, general feel etc

    This would give an insight to someone thinking of changing from one to the other!!
    There’s a good few rubbers that I haven’t used, it’s a pretty short list!!! so feel free to add to the list.

    top of the list is close to CTR’s bottom closer to ESN/SS

    Xiom Tau 2
    Joola Golden Tango
    Joola Golden Tango PS
    Yasaka Rakza Z
    BTY SpinArt
    Donic Bluegrip V1
    Donic Bluegrip C2
    BTY D09C

    Should BTY Aibiss be added? I’m not totally sure!! Some people say it has a spring sponge, but a BTY list that I looked at showing type of sponge didn’t list Aibiss sponge as a Spring Sponge. It sure doesn’t play like it has a spring sponge!! I feel that it’s BTY attempt at H3 .

    If you think I’ve got a rubber (or some rubbers!!) in the wrong place then swap around!! It will be interesting to see how people’s take on this varies!!

    Omega 7 China Guang and Ying. There are other brands releasing their tacky rubbers this year.

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    Would you consider DHS Skyline 3-60 or Hurricane 3-50 in this category?

    Or are those sponges not springy enough?


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    Would you consider DHS Skyline 3-60 or Hurricane 3-50 in this category?

    Or are those sponges not springy enough?


    nope they are inferior if compared to euro sponges unless boosted.

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    Nittaku Hurricane Pro III Turbo Blue
    Nittaku Hurricane Pro III Turbo Orange
    Nittaku Sieger PK50
    Victas Triple Regular (42.5°)
    Victas Triple Extra (55° japan standard)
    Victas Triple Double Extra (57.5°)

    The Victas series is named from the TSP Triple series tacky rubbers, but the blue sponge is a new Victas made, and the topsheet is made in China.

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    nope they are inferior if compared to euro sponges unless boosted.
    Yeah, i agree with that, H8 is another that is similar. sponge just doesn't do it!!

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    Nittaku Hurricane Pro III Turbo Blue
    Nittaku Hurricane Pro III Turbo Orange
    Nittaku Sieger PK50
    Victas Triple Regular (42.5°)
    Victas Triple Extra (55° japan standard)
    Victas Triple Double Extra (57.5°)

    The Victas series is named from the TSP Triple series tacky rubbers, but the blue sponge is a new Victas made, and the topsheet is made in China.

    I gave the Nittaku Hurricane Pro 3 Turbo orange a try and it was different to Std H3, but was still pretty 'dead' feeling, No experience with the Turbo Blue, i would probably put the pair of them with likes of H3-50/H3-60 etc?? Sponge not enough ESN/Spring sponge qualities ??

    Has the Victas / TSP merge gone through completely?

    So the Victas 'Triple' series, is this a totally new top sheet and new sponge? or retaining old TSP Triple series top sheet? is it available??

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    KTL rapid speed is hybrid (and cheap) , the sponge is like european rubber but the topsheet is tacky!

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    I think this list should only contain Euro/Jap/Korean hybrid rubbers, because the number Chinese hybrids is really endless (Friendship, Tuttle, KTL, Yinhe etc.).


    Tibhar K1/K2/ K1 Plus/ K1 Pro[h1] [/h1]

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    Quote Originally Posted by IB66

    I gave the Nittaku Hurricane Pro 3 Turbo orange a try and it was different to Std H3, but was still pretty 'dead' feeling, No experience with the Turbo Blue, i would probably put the pair of them with likes of H3-50/H3-60 etc?? Sponge not enough ESN/Spring sponge qualities ??Has the Victas / TSP merge gone through completely?So the Victas 'Triple' series, is this a totally new top sheet and new sponge? or retaining old TSP Triple series top sheet? is it available??cheers,

    This Triple series seems to be made with a new recipe. It´s the most tackiest I´ve ever seen. Gonna try it soon.Is VICTAS TRIPLE DOUBLE EXTRA tacky? - YouTube

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    This Triple series seems to be made with a new recipe. It´s the most tackiest I´ve ever seen. Gonna try it soon.Is VICTAS TRIPLE DOUBLE EXTRA tacky? - YouTube

    I think TT11 have all 3 versions.😀!!

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    I think this list should only contain Euro/Jap/Korean hybrid rubbers, because the number Chinese hybrids is really endless (Friendship, Tuttle, KTL, Yinhe etc.).


    Tibhar K1/K2/ K1 Plus/ K1 Pro[h1] [/h1]

    Hi MK,

    Having never tried K1/K2 etc, do you have any thoughts to where they would sit in the list?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SamTheMan
    I have only played with D09c and Rakza Z from your list. To me, Rakza Z felt soft and bouncy. Good, but very similar to other ESN products. I would consider Rakza Z as a backhand rubber. The hardness of D09c makes it a lot more similar to Chinese tacky rubber imo.
    Hi Sam,

    I can see where you are coming from!!!

    I thought Rakza Z had more tackiness and slightly less bounce. Any tackiness wears off pretty quick with both, but my sheets of Rakza Z had a longer lasting tackiness.
    The D09C I used to have had the 1.9mm sponge, having just tried T05 / T19 In 1.9mm as well I thought the top sheets had a similar hardness, maybe D09C was a tad softer than T05 / T19. All 3 are probably harder than Rakza Z,
    Theres also ‘straight out of the package’ feeling and characteristics and ‘played in’ feeling and characteristics to take into account !!! So it’s not a straight forward list as to where certain rubbers should sit within the list !! It would be easy to swap rubbers around!! And looking at the list Rakza Z is probably a little too close to the CTR end, it could easily be next to D09C !!

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    This Triple series seems to be made with a new recipe. It´s the most tackiest I´ve ever seen. Gonna try it soon.Is VICTAS TRIPLE DOUBLE EXTRA tacky? - YouTube

    Just watched the video clip, if that’s how tacky it is, hopefully combined with a good hard springy sponge, I just gotta get me some!!!😀🤪​​​​​​​

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    Hi MK,

    Having never tried K1/K2 etc, do you have any thoughts to where they would sit in the list?

    I can't because I haven't tried the other rubbers in your list. I have only tested the K1 Pro. What I can say is that it has a 52 deg sponge and a very soft and tacky top sheet. The sponge is dynamic and bouncy, which I didn't like for my forehand. Its more like a Euro rubber with Chinese top sheet. I prefer rubbers with less catapult on my forehand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK73

    I can't because I haven't tried the other rubbers in your list. I have only tested the K1 Pro. What I can say is that it has a 52 deg sponge and a very soft and tacky top sheet. The sponge is dynamic and bouncy, which I didn't like for my forehand. Its more like a Euro rubber with Chinese top sheet. I prefer rubbers with less catapult on my forehand.

    Hi MK,

    from what you’ve said, looks like the K1/K2 could sit up with the Bluegrips ?


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    Anyone used the Yasaka Rising / Shining Dragon rubbers?

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    No experience with the Turbo Blue, i would probably put the pair of them with likes of H3-50/H3-60 etc??

    No, Nittaku Hurricane Turbo Blue has to go next to Tau II. It has been very positively reviewed by Patrick on the TT11 blog. One of the rubbers I will deffo try once we're allowed to play again. The organge one is softer.

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