-
says I like to hit Heavy Topspinsays I like to hit Heavy Topspin05-06-2021 1620265138 #41
Do wish we could have seen you returning serves from someone who serves more than just simple, undisguised, topspin serves though. Seeing you respond to a variety of serves with backspin, sidespin etc, would be illuminating in helping to see whether you really would do fine upping the speed of your blade.
Setup 1: Blade by Nate: Vortex Spin Machine, FH Evolution MX-K, BH Evolution FX-P
Setup 2: OSP Virtuoso Plus, FH Rasanter R 48, BH Rasanter R 48
Spin is Everything
-
says I like to hit Heavy Topspinsays I like to hit Heavy Topspin05-06-2021 1620265513 #42
The Following User Likes UpSideDownCarl's Post:
Николай Петров
Last edited by UpSideDownCarl; 05-06-2021 at 01:57 AM.
Setup 1: Blade by Nate: Vortex Spin Machine, FH Evolution MX-K, BH Evolution FX-P
Setup 2: OSP Virtuoso Plus, FH Rasanter R 48, BH Rasanter R 48
Spin is Everything
-
says Improving with the speed of light.says Improving with the speed of light.
-
This user has no status.This user has no status.05-06-2021 1620284291 #44
Yes, that's the point, cpen versions of Xiom Offensive S are difficult to get, that's why I didn't suggest it. Xiom Offensive S is not like YEO, it has the same Limba-Ayous construction as your Allround Classic, Primorac Off-, Korbel and OSP Virtuoso (they differ in weight, headsize, thickness, speed). Yeo has walnut-spruce-ayous I think. It has a harder touch and is faster. I stick to my Rosewood recommendation. It's very good blade and when you decide to change your blade in the future it's something you can grow on and play with for a long time.
Last edited by MK73; 05-06-2021 at 07:30 AM.
-
This user has no status.This user has no status.05-06-2021 1620289622 #45
I was going to suggest the same ... Infinity VPS too is a good option ..
You could also look at Butterfly Petr Korbel, or Tibhar Stratus Powerwood, if you want to stick with 5-ply.. However, I'm not sure if these are available in C-pen.
Also, check-out the Stiga Nostalgic series of blades..
-
says Grand Consultant to the Office of the Goon Squadsays Grand Consultant to the Office of the Goon Squad05-06-2021 1620302892 #46
What I am saying is the timing to impact needs more consistency. You have enough power for now, your issue is you do not time the fast end of your whip at the point of impact at the right time. You also mis-judge the point of impact. You also mis-judge where the ball will go. (which is pretty much the same thing)
This is not an easy thing to get correct all the time if one starts as an adult player. it is a fine motor skill. It also involves a skill or reading what is on the ball and where it will go exactly when. These are not eask skills to develop quickly as an adult learner. Just about all adults struggle with this to a large degree.The Following 2 Users Like Der_Echte's Post:
doppelganger_LT and KMTT
President, Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club. Hit us up on TTD or Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/koreaforeignttc
Janitor at NexyUSA TT Equipment Shop
http://www.nexyusa.com
View our Lame Nexy USA corporate FB page
http://www.facebook.com/nexyusa
-
says Improving with the speed of light.says Improving with the speed of light.05-06-2021 1620303152 #47
-
This user has no status.This user has no status.05-06-2021 1620303315 #48
-
says I like to hit Heavy Topspinsays I like to hit Heavy Topspin05-06-2021 1620313061 #49
Just a clarification:
Stiga Allround Classic: Limba-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Limba
Offensive S: Limba-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Limba
Primorac & Korbel: Limba-Limba-Ayous-Limba-Limba
Yes, they all have Limba and Ayous. But the Limba-Limba-Ayous construction is very different in playing characteristics than the Limba-Ayous-Ayous construction.
I personally like Limba-Limba. But it is worth noting the diffence.
For something more lively: Limba-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Limba will feel more alive and faster than either of the above, but it will hold the ball for less making it take more skill to spin. Limba-Limba holds the ball for longer than Limba-Ayous and feels more muted but allows you to generate more spin.
In the end, it is a choice. Lots of good options. But I did not realize that the Offensive S was hard to get in a penhold grip.
Yasaka Sweden Extra, it is different, it has a harder top ply than Limba. But it would also be a good choice that is not too big a speed jump. Where, I think, the Extra Offensive may be a bigger speed jump than would be productive based on what I saw in the video.
Rosewood and Infinity: because they top ply of those blades is HARDENED, and they are trying to fancy, fast, all wood, they cost way more than they should and they may not be the best choice for value or for speed. They are both probably a bit faster than you should use. Not much, but more than would be productive, in my opinion, based on what I saw.
However, I do still think the best option for your continued development is to continue using what you already have. Try the rackets of friends like Baal suggested, but continue using what you have at least for the next 6 months to a year.The Following User Likes UpSideDownCarl's Post:
Николай Петров
Setup 1: Blade by Nate: Vortex Spin Machine, FH Evolution MX-K, BH Evolution FX-P
Setup 2: OSP Virtuoso Plus, FH Rasanter R 48, BH Rasanter R 48
Spin is Everything
-
This user has no status.This user has no status.05-06-2021 1620313204 #50
-
This user has no status.This user has no status.05-06-2021 1620313825 #51
-
This user has no status.This user has no status.05-06-2021 1620319976 #52Rosewood and Infinity: because they top ply of those blades is HARDENED, and they are trying to fancy, fast, all wood, they cost way more than they should and they may not be the best choice for value or for speed. They are both probably a bit faster than you should use. Not much, but more than would be productive, in my opinion, based on what I saw.
I still don't think that the Rosewood is too fast. It has the same speed level as the Korbel, different feel (its a tad harder because of the special nct treatment), but same speed.I have played with both blades, but let me also quote ttgearlab:
"Rosewood NCT V shows very common characteristics of standard offensive 5-ply wood blade. Especially it is very close to Butterfly Korbel. It can be the alternative of Butterfly Korbel if the difference of shape will not be a problem."
OP has to decide whether he wants to have a blade with a harder or softer feel if he wants to change in the future (Korbel vs. Rosewood). But does Butterfly sell c-pen Korbel blades? I suggested that blade because OP said that he liked to stay close to the table and I think the Rosewood quite good for that because its a bit thicker which is helpful for blocks. At the same time it can generate a lot of spin.
Another thing is that c-pen blades are much lighter than shakehand blades, so the harder outer ply might compensate for the lack of power.
With regard to the price: yes, the Rosewood is more expensive. You pay about 90 Euros for a Korbel (Japan) and 109 Euros for a Rosewood (at least in a German tt online shop). OP has to decide.
-
says Improving with the speed of light.says Improving with the speed of light.
-
This user has no status.This user has no status.05-06-2021 1620323268 #54
Thanks for the clarifications about the composition. I learned though, that it is not a sufficient condition. For example, Viscaria has Koto outer. I like it, but like you, I prefer limba. So I bought Yinhe V16, identical, but with limba outer. Yet it can't be compared with Viscaria, it is faster, less hold, gives strange cracking sound, has also higher frequency. So I learned that unless you play it, you don't really know. I know this is basics for you, but I wanted to write anyway.
On the other hand, ttgearlab's measurement always so far precisely conincided with the blades and their feeling for me. So I value that site highly. Only once, they say HL5 is same as PG5, I tried PG5 and it was just somewhat fuzzy. It has hold, but the feedback is not very clear. But I think I simply just can't wish more from the blade which costs 25E.
I agree absolutely with your paragraph about Infinity. This is simply the most overrated blade. It can be suitable for certain style, just not for OPs, and for mine neither. With Rosewood, I never tried it, however, since I by-experience believe ttgearlab, it looks for me very well in the range suitable for OP.
To OP I'd say, it's good you try to stay low. You can even try to over-do it. I try as well to stay lower. With your FH topspin, the preparatory phase looks good, you rotate your body to the right and you help yourself with your non-playing hand, which gets into good position. But the hitting-phase seems to be done initially mostly by the playing hand, and not enough by the body. Which is proved by your non-playing hand - it stays in its position almost to the point where you hit the ball. If you had rotated the body, the non-playing hand would automatically get more to the left, at hit-time. That can serve as an indication. HTH.The Following 3 Users Like latej's Post:
MK73, Richie and 1 other
-
says Grand Consultant to the Office of the Goon Squadsays Grand Consultant to the Office of the Goon Squad05-06-2021 1620331523 #55
There isn't a "Fast" or "Faster" way. You might help yourself out during practice by trying to use a little less power, a little lighter grip, and focus on meeting the ball in the right part of the impact zone... get that right first... get that right consistently, then progressively use more speed/power on the swing with a firming right at impact.
That isn't the only way, but going that way will help you out a year or two down the road, instead of staying one's entire life missing the ball or not being on time at point of impact.President, Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club. Hit us up on TTD or Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/koreaforeignttc
Janitor at NexyUSA TT Equipment Shop
http://www.nexyusa.com
View our Lame Nexy USA corporate FB page
http://www.facebook.com/nexyusa
-
This user has no status.This user has no status.05-06-2021 1620339278 #56
if you want 7 ply, which will give you more support, consider Clipper (non cr)
if you want to stick with 5 ply, samsonov powerwood
but whichever blade you get, footwork always comes first, shoulder, arm, hand, and blade come secondLast edited by virtuososiu; 05-06-2021 at 10:15 PM.
-
says I like to hit Heavy Topspinsays I like to hit Heavy Topspin05-07-2021 1620349475 #57
You might notice I did not recommend the Korbel either. The blades I recommended were faster than Allround Classic and slower than Korbel, or Rosewood, or Clipper...... Based on what I saw in the video, in my opinion, he might be able to get away with playing with those blades without realizing they are too fast for him. But they would still slow his development more than would be beneficial. Whereas, something a little slower, but still faster than the Allround Classic would be good.
Another idea would be the Stiga Allround Evolution.
But it sounds like OP is being mature and sticking with what he has.
A blade made with very similar plies by two different companies with different techniques for treating the wood, gluing the plies.....etc it is unlikely you will get things that feel similar. You could try hundreds of "Viscaria Clones". None of them really feel like a Viscaria.
Anything I say about the feeling of a blade comes from having had many of that same blade in my hand. So what I said about Limba-Limba blades, I could say a lot more. OSP's Virtuoso and Virtuoso + have much more feeling than a Butterfly Korbel or Primorac. That has to do with how the two different blade makers make their blades. All 4 of those blades are awesome. I would be happy using any one of them. But the OSP blades will feel crisper and more alive. The Butterfly blades will feel solid and (duller is not quite the right word because it sounds like something that isn't good, but it is less vibrant in a sort of good way).
A Korbel or a Primorac does not feel anything like a faster version of an Allround Classic. But a Offensive S or an Allround Evolution, they do sort of feel like a faster version of the same blade. Evolution more so than the S. Offensive S is faster than the Allround Evolution. So, maybe the Allround Evolution would be an even better choice. Not sure if they make that with a penhold grip.
Again, I am not saying any of that from something I have read. I have played with enough different versions of any of those blades that it is something I experienced. However, everyone feels things differently. So, someone else could say something different and still have a valid point.
latej;344999
On the other hand, ttgearlab's measurement always so far precisely conincided with the blades and their feeling for me. So I value that site highly. Only once, they say HL5 is same as PG5, I tried PG5 and it was just somewhat fuzzy. It has hold, but the feedback is not very clear. But I think I simply just can't wish more from the blade which costs 25E.
latej;344999
With Rosewood, I never tried it, however, since I by-experience believe ttgearlab, it looks for me very well in the range suitable for OP.
It is true he gets to decide. I think he is making an excellent decision to not get a new blade. In a year, Blades in the speed category of Korbel or Rosewood might be perfect. I just think those would slow his development at this point, based on the stuff I saw in his video. It is true, other people are entitled to have a different opinion. I am stating mine.The Following 2 Users Like UpSideDownCarl's Post:
latej and Николай Петров
Last edited by UpSideDownCarl; 05-07-2021 at 01:23 AM.
Setup 1: Blade by Nate: Vortex Spin Machine, FH Evolution MX-K, BH Evolution FX-P
Setup 2: OSP Virtuoso Plus, FH Rasanter R 48, BH Rasanter R 48
Spin is Everything
-
This user has no status.This user has no status.05-07-2021 1620367109 #58
I can't see anybody mentioning Stiga Offensive Classic. One of my favorite blades ever. I don't currently own one, but I will get one eventually. One of my buddies has a real nice one. It is great for almost beginner and experienced players alike. Not slow and not too fast and good for Your wallet too. There is a reason they still make it... I think it deserves being mentioned in this context.
Cheers
L-zrThe Following 3 Users Like Lazer's Post:
Kolev, LilMunchkin and 1 other
Last edited by Lazer; 05-07-2021 at 05:13 PM.
-
says I like to hit Heavy Topspinsays I like to hit Heavy Topspin05-07-2021 1620404075 #59Setup 1: Blade by Nate: Vortex Spin Machine, FH Evolution MX-K, BH Evolution FX-P
Setup 2: OSP Virtuoso Plus, FH Rasanter R 48, BH Rasanter R 48
Spin is Everything
-
says I don't boost. BrokenBall and Igorponger are pretty funny posters. hehe.says I don't boost. BrokenBall and Igorponger are pretty funny posters. hehe.