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    Victas Triple Double Extra & Triple Extra Rubbers



    Review to follow, Having issues getting this post on the forum!! If this posts then I’ll follow up later!!

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    Are these rubbers new or are they rebranded TSP rubbers? Looking forward to your reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK73
    Are these rubbers new or are they rebranded TSP rubbers? Looking forward to your reviews.
    I think the Triple Regular is the re-branded TSP rubber. The Triple Extra and Triple Double Extra have slightly different top sheets and new sponges.

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    I think the Triple Regular is the re-branded TSP rubber. The Triple Extra and Triple Double Extra have slightly different top sheets and new sponges.
    Actually no: these are brand new products, here is an overview of the TSP products that have been rebranded under Victas name, and the ones discontinued
    https://www.victas.com/en_gb/journal.../01/2021-18-10

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    I received the sheets of Triple Extra (TE)& Triple Double Extra (TD) yesterday afternoon along with a Donic Appelgren Dotec Control blade.
    These were glued on rapido ready for my 2nd training session with the coach!!
    Classic Victas styling on the packaging!! Once inside, the rubbers looked of very good quality.
    Now these rubbers are different to each other in 2 respects -
    both have different sponge hardnesses - on inspection, bubbles are very small and hardly visible.
    both have different top sheets. Both top sheets feel nice and springy.





    Starting with the TE

    Sponge hardness is 55 degrees, packaging quotes ‘ EXTRA STICKY Chinese top sheet & newly developed compact and hard sponge’
    sponge colour is black for the TE.
    Un-cut sheet weighed in at 71 grams ( with the film still on )



    TD

    Sponge hardness is 57.5 degrees, packaging quotes ‘ ULTRA-STICKY Chinese top sheet & newly developed compact compact and hard sponge’
    sponge colour is blue for the TD
    Un-cut sheet weighed in at 74 grams ( with the film still on)



    Both rubbers were glued on using Revolution No3 glue, 3 layers on the rubber, 2 on the blade. Removing the protective film is just the best!!! 😆
    A quick Tackiness test showed that the TE held the ball for around 1/2 a second to 1 second, slightly disappointing, the TD on the other hand was ‘proper’ tacky, when Victas used the term ‘ULTRA STICKY’ they meant it, 1st go the ball held for at least 15 seconds, it just didn’t want to fall back down!! As good if not better than a new sheet of H3 Neo!!!!! 😎🤮 ( as my kids like to say ‘it was sick’ !!! )

    Bounce test (without film) showed the TE to have about, give or take 7 - 8 bounces until the ball stopped bouncing, TD 4 - 6 bounces, which was more than I was expecting considering how tacky the top sheet is. Same test with film in place, TE and TD both in the range of 8 - 9 bounces.

    At the training session

    1 hr session, ( previous session I used the Tau 2 / Primorac ) session was split FH / BH topspin, Top spin open ups v backspin, pushing ( irregular ), back spin short serve and 3rd ball attack / loop kill (to long push return irregular placement) play out the point.
    Dotec blade required some minor stroke adjustment on BH, after a few BH rallies i was fine.
    Both rubbers performed really well, good spin and control, didn’t feel ‘hard’ or ‘dead’, faster than the Tau 2, slightly higher throw than Tau 2, but not by much. Placement of shots was good, forward kick was better with the TD, which was probably due to the extra tackiness. I got on well with both of these rubbers.
    Open up v backspin, some loaded slow balls, I was less consistent than the last session, but was slightly more tired as we did this later in the session, throw was a little higher than Tau 2, TD higher than TE, maybe medium throw, depends on the player to some extent!!
    Short game pushing was very good, similar to Tau 2 and H3Neo, excellent!! Great spin again, maybe more unforced errors by the coach compared to the previous session, but not by many !!

    short backspin serve and 3rd ball attack v long backspin push (irregular) return. FH - more finishes down to speed than Tau 2 previously. Placement was also good, but I seemed to be able to be slightly more accurate with the Tau 2. BH - was ok, but this is mainly down to my inconsistencies rather than the rubber!!

    Overall these are both very nice rubbers, I enjoyed playing with both of them. The Triple Double Extra is a stand out rubber regarding its level of TACKINESS, and its not that slow considering.
    Comparing to H3Neo boosted, speed is similar, spin there or abouts, short game just as good. Sometime I’ll try boosting it, but for now I’ll use it as per ‘straight out of the pack’
    TE is slightly quicker than the TD. Spin levels are pretty similar, control great. Very good rubbers. I found them easy to use, but I’m use to playing with this type of rubber!! More choice !! All good !!





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    I just got on TTD to write a review about the Triple Double Extra and I see this post. Mind if I join your post to see if we have similar views about the rubber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivek
    I just got on TTD to write a review about the Triple Double Extra and I see this post. Mind if I join your post to see if we have similar views about the rubber?
    Hi Ivek

    jump on in there!!!😀😀​​​​​​​

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    Well, I know now which rubber will be my next one... Thank you so much for your review !

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    Is the topsheet of the TD soft ?

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    Excellent question: if it is as soft as the Dignics 09C while being tackier, it will be an absolute favorite to me either. I guess I'll buy a sheet too and compare with the D09C as soon as the TT halls will re-open in our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Music&Ping
    Excellent question: if it is as soft as the Dignics 09C while being tackier, it will be an absolute favorite to me either. I guess I'll buy a sheet too and compare with the D09C as soon as the TT halls will re-open in our country.
    Hi,
    When I initially tested the sheets, just by pinching, thumb & forefinger, both sheets felt pretty similar!!!! (TD & TE) Similar when they were glued on the blade. The ‘springiness’ I mentioned in the review, is more likely to be the softness of the top sheet rather than the sponge. But ‘pinching’ is definitely not scientific!!!!
    I gave 2 sheets of D09C to a club mate (he now loves D09C on his all wood primorac!!) so I can’t compare them directly.
    From memory, I would say TD has a slightly softer top sheet, listed sponge hardness for both D09C and TD are pretty close to each other, although the sponges are ‘chalk and cheese’
    D09C way more bouncy. When looping with D09C I never ‘felt’ like I was getting much feedback regarding ‘dwell’, the ball just doesn’t ‘hang’ around long enough !! This doesn’t mean the top sheet isn’t soft though.
    I definitely think that TD has a ‘softer’ feeling when looping.
    So actual ‘measured’ hardness compared to what you ‘feel’ may not be the same!!
    Having said that, I reckon TD’s rubber top sheet is likely to be softer than D09C’s, by how much ????

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    Well I couldn't resist, I bought a sheet of TD and a sheet of Tau 2. Review during the next month I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinforzando
    Well I couldn't resist, I bought a sheet of TD and a sheet of Tau 2. Review during the next month I guess...
    It's spreading, the hybrid virus, dangerously quick. But I'm immune. My vaccine is H3. Works quadruple triple mega-extra, when boosted.

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    It's spreading, the hybrid virus, dangerously quick. But I'm immune. My vaccine is H3. Works quadruple triple mega-extra, when boosted.
    Yeah !!!

    But what happens when you boost a rubber with ‘hybrid’ characteristics???????

    Anyone out there tried??????
    ummm maybe I should .......... give it a go!!! Ha ha I’d rather boost the tackiness !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IB66
    Yeah !!!

    But what happens when you boost a rubber with ‘hybrid’ characteristics???????

    Anyone out there tried??????
    ummm maybe I should .......... give it a go!!! Ha ha I’d rather boost the tackiness !!!

    So... I’ve been playing with D09C FH and RZ BH for 9-10 months. Decided to boost a while back on rather fresh sheets (2 months old) with 2 quite generous layers of Falco. For me at least it has been very positive. The rubbers are a bit more bouncy which can be felt when playing short but mainly works to make it easier to loop backspin. The feel is softer,
    mushier maybe but I do think I’ll keep boosting my hybrids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonlan

    So... I’ve been playing with D09C FH and RZ BH for 9-10 months. Decided to boost a while back on rather fresh sheets (2 months old) with 2 quite generous layers of Falco. For me at least it has been very positive. The rubbers are a bit more bouncy which can be felt when playing short but mainly works to make it easier to loop backspin. The feel is softer,
    mushier maybe but I do think I’ll keep boosting my hybrids.

    I boosted RZ BH 2 months old as well. 2gr Falco (1 layer on H3 would be 1.5gr or less). Felt softer and much much better. Same for me. For sure I’ll keep boosting hybrids.

    Regardless, Hybrids and H3 feel quite far different. (I have H3 on FH).

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    I try to stay away from boosting. So I can't play with a h3, that's why I'm chasing the new hybrid rubbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by latej
    It's spreading, the hybrid virus, dangerously quick. But I'm immune. My vaccine is H3. Works quadruple triple mega-extra, when boosted.
    After a couple of training sessions and matches with a TE (2.0 mm, black) my conclusion is: I'm still immune to the hybrid virus but not to the EJ virus... In short:
    - Tackiness: Way below H3 and somewhat below Rakza Z
    - Topsheet: Softer and more elastic than H3 and Rakza Z.
    - Sponge: Harder than my 39° and 40° H3(N)s
    - Weight: Cut to 157 mm x 150 mm with three layers Revolution 48g - 49g
    - Short game/serves: Had to adapt quite a bit but in matches when you're e,g. not as focused as one should be serves/returns have less spin and tend to go long(er) than with a H3 although the TE feels a little bit less spin sensitive and the TE seems to dislike (very) thin contacts.
    - Blocks especially against topspins loaded with much side spin were easier to do as were flat hits.
    - Topspins: OK, not the top end spin that can be achieved with a H3 but not bad. Trajectory slightly longer and thankfully not as high as with a Rakza Z and not as low as with e.g. a Battle 2 or Sanwei Target. It seemed that I could generate speed further away from the table a little bit easier.
    Not a bad rubber at all but for me it is not a H3(N) replacement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ttarc
    After a couple of training sessions and matches with a TE (2.0 mm, black) my conclusion is: I'm still immune to the hybrid virus but not to the EJ virus... In short:
    - Tackiness: Way below H3 and somewhat below Rakza Z
    - Topsheet: Softer and more elastic than H3 and Rakza Z.
    - Sponge: Harder than my 39° and 40° H3(N)s
    - Weight: Cut to 157 mm x 150 mm with three layers Revolution 48g - 49g
    - Short game/serves: Had to adapt quite a bit but in matches when you're e,g. not as focused as one should be serves/returns have less spin and tend to go long(er) than with a H3 although the TE feels a little bit less spin sensitive and the TE seems to dislike (very) thin contacts.
    - Blocks especially against topspins loaded with much side spin were easier to do as were flat hits.
    - Topspins: OK, not the top end spin that can be achieved with a H3 but not bad. Trajectory slightly longer and thankfully not as high as with a Rakza Z and not as low as with e.g. a Battle 2 or Sanwei Target. It seemed that I could generate speed further away from the table a little bit easier.
    Not a bad rubber at all but for me it is not a H3(N) replacement.

    Hi ttarc,

    what are the rubbers in the photo?

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    Hi ttarc,

    what are the rubbers in the photo?

    H3 orange sponge, creamy-white = Rakza Z, black = TE

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