Making All Wood Blade Faster Artificially

Originally Posted by Nate4s

Not true! I'm actually moving somewhere I can actually be a part of the sport for the first time in half-a-decade. I've built up a library of usable blades, so maybe I step away from blade-making for a bit while I actually get a chance to use them all!

Everyone SHOULD have know I was talking backwards... Vince and Mark gunna be good folk for you up there.

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Originally Posted by Nate4s

The Stiga Offensive Classic is a great feeling composition. I LOVE the feeling of a crisp outer layer (like Koto) over the top of Spruce. If you can find a 7-ply where the top two plies are Koto and Spruce, then I think you'll get something with a very similar feeling and a bit more power.

The blade I used from 2019 - 2020 was: Larch (outer) - Spruce - Spruce - Kiri (core) - Spruce - Spruce - Larch, and I've only just replaced it with something VERY similar (only differences: Alaskan yellow cedar for the ply next to the core, and made with hide-glue).

Offensive Classic is: Limba-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Limba

Not sure about the Nostalgic, but I know the Nexy SPEAR is a blade from Nexy with the same plies that is notably faster than the Offensive Classic. I took a look....the Nostalgic, the top ply is different. Still, it could be a fine option. But I know, the Spear feels like a more solid and faster version of the Offensive Classic.

The feeling of the Spruce under the Limba is a bit addictive.

BTW: Avalox P500 is Koto-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Koto.

In the 1990s Offensive Classic did have a Koto top ply (so same plies as P500. But it has been a long time that Offensive Classic has been made with the Limba-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Limba ply construction.

And, a side note: For sure, one of the blade makers on the forum, like Nate or Hipnotic, could make a blade with Limba-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Limba aiming to make the blade feel like an Offensive Classic but faster. I am confident they could do that. But the Nexy Spear may be worth trying.

Originally Posted by Music&Ping

Ok so you're searching for a blade with koto as outer veneer to keep that spruce intermediate one maybe ?
Butterfly Kong Linghui has it like this: koto - spruce - ayous - spruce - koto
DHS PG2
DHS PG3
Hurricane King (Wang Liquin)

I guess those blades were all based on the old Offensive Classic as Stiga was a favorite choice for chinese players in the 90's - 2000's, I've used one as I also got some Clippers,and yes the ones that came after were surprisingly a bit dull...

As I said above, The Stiga Offensive Classic DOES NOT HAVE A KOTO top ply. The top ply is LIMBA.

The ply construction of the Offensive Classic is: Limba-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Limba

In the 1990s the ply construction of the Offensive Classic did have a Koto top ply. But it has been a long time since then. So, I don't think he is looking for a Koto Top Ply.

Feel free to read my post from 1 hour before you posted this and see what I recommended.

Thank you all for the suggestions. So from what I have been able to gather is I either change my rubbers to adapt (will not plan on doing this), seal my blade (high chance to try this), get a new blade that has similar feel (might try this but I would need to know how a koto spruce vs limba spruce compare because a hurricane hao here is around 80 something dollars which is okay but not my first option or I can get an avx sp5(p500 and i cant find the nexy blade) around 35 dollars here and it is already 50 percent off) would a koto outer ply provide me more speed while still retaining that good feel? Or is the speed just a very tiny bump. What do you think all? Thanks.

Originally Posted by LilMunchkin

Thank you all for the suggestions. So from what I have been able to gather is I either change my rubbers to adapt (will not plan on doing this), seal my blade (high chance to try this), get a new blade that has similar feel (might try this but I would need to know how a koto spruce vs limba spruce compare because a hurricane hao here is around 80 something dollars which is okay but not my first option or I can get an avx sp5(p500 and i cant find the nexy blade) around 35 dollars here and it is already 50 percent off) would a koto outer ply provide me more speed while still retaining that good feel? Or is the speed just a very tiny bump. What do you think all? Thanks.

Koto will be harder and provide less dwell so, less spin. With good technique it won't matter. They will feel different. Both will feel good.

If there is an inexpensive blade with the Koto top ply like the P500, nothing bad would happen if you try.

The speed won't be worth mentioning. Some OCs will be faster, some will be slower. Speed class will be very similar. A harder top ply is not what would change the speed class. Gluing process, wood treatment, aging, ply thickness....those things would be what would change the speed. If this was not the case, you could not have blades with the same ply construction that range from All, All+, Off- to Off all with the same exact ply construction but different speeds.

As for adding sealant to the top layer: a very thin layer to protect the wood might make sense. Adding more than that will change the feel of the top ply and will not necessarily make the blade faster. So, you could end up with a slower blade that feels like crap because it has a thick layer of Poly on top making it feel like a piece of furniture. Therefore, I would not recommend that route.

PS: Nexy Spear I have used is noticeably faster than any OC or P500 I have tried.

Here: https://nexyusa.com/collections/fron...products/spear

You should be able to find it other places. But that is one place where you can find it.

Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl

Koto will be harder and provide less dwell so, less spin. With good technique it won't matter. They will feel different. Both will feel good.

If there is an inexpensive blade with the Koto top ply like the P500, nothing bad would happen if you try.

The speed won't be worth mentioning. Some OCs will be faster, some will be slower. Speed class will be very similar. A harder top ply is not what would change the speed class. Gluing process, wood treatment, aging, ply thickness....those things would be what would change the speed. If this was not the case, you could not have blades with the same ply construction that range from All, All+, Off- to Off all with the same exact ply construction but different speeds.

As for adding sealant to the top layer: a very thin layer to protect the wood might make sense. Adding more than that will change the feel of the top ply and will not necessarily make the blade faster. So, you could end up with a slower blade that feels like crap because it has a thick layer of Poly on top making it feel like a piece of furniture. Therefore, I would not recommend that route.

PS: Nexy Spear I have used is noticeably faster than any OC or P500 I have tried.

Here: https://nexyusa.com/collections/fron...products/spear

You should be able to find it other places. But that is one place where you can find it.

Thanks, Carl. Since I cannot find the nexy spear in my place. Maybe I can try like a YEO?

Originally Posted by LilMunchkin

Thanks, Carl. Since I cannot find the nexy spear in my place. Maybe I can try like a YEO?

Of course you can. But don't think it will feel anything like the Offensive Classic. Walnut as a top ply will not feel anything like Limba.

Will you like it? The only way to find out is to try one. That might be by borrowing one rather than buying it. But it will not really feel like an Offensive Classic. If what you like is the Spruce, it could be a great choice. If what you like is the combination of the Spruce and the Limba, you may not like it so much. It will be considerably harder than the OC.

Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl

As I said above, The Stiga Offensive Classic DOES NOT HAVE A KOTO top ply. The top ply is LIMBA.

The ply construction of the Offensive Classic is: Limba-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Limba

In the 1990s the ply construction of the Offensive Classic did have a Koto top ply. But it has been a long time since then. So, I don't think he is looking for a Koto Top Ply.

Feel free to read my post from 1 hour before you posted this and see what I recommended.

Again, someone's misunderstanding me, and I don't like it, really: the OLD OC were indeed having a koto outer layer, but in the mid 90's they became... different, different feel. Bear in mind that I've starting table tennis in the late 80's, so... I know a thing or two about blades of that era you know... ?

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY WHAT I WRITE

I've said that the blades I've mentionned were based on the OC, because it's obviously old blades, most of them released in the late 90's, early 2000's. To me those blades were based on the old OC, I stand my words. The correct answer from you Carl would have been "do you mean you think those blades were based on the OLD OC composition ?"

I'm really tired, again, of people making false asumptions about my words because, hey... they don't want to understand, or only understand what suits them.

End of discussion to me.

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Originally Posted by Music&Ping

Again, someone's misunderstanding me, and I don't like it, really: the OLD OC were indeed having a koto outer layer, but in the mid 90's they became... different, different feel. Bear in mind that I've starting table tennis in the late 80's, so... I know a thing or two about blades of that era you know... ?

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY WHAT I WRITE

I've said that the blades I've mentionned were based on the OC, because it's obviously old blades, most of them released in the late 90's, early 2000's. To me those blades were based on the old OC, I stand my words. The correct answer from you Carl would have been "do you mean you think those blades were based on the OLD OC composition ?"

I'm really tired, again, of people making false asumptions about my words because, hey... they don't want to understand, or only understand what suits them.

End of discussion to me.

🤐😡

I don't care what else you said: YOU SAID THIS:

Music&Ping;345032Ok so you're searching for a blade with koto as outer veneer to keep that spruce intermediate one maybe ?

AND I REALLY DON'T THINK HE IS LOOKING FOR A BLADE WITH A KOTO OUTER PLY.

So you would have to explain why you think he is looking for a blade with a Koto outer ply when he wants a blade that feels like his CURRENT Offensive Classic.

So, to me, it looks like your post was based on a misunderstanding of what LilMunchkin is looking for.

Originally Posted by Music&Ping

Please dear idiot, go **** yourself

This just seems to show a little more about who you are.

Originally Posted by latej

Ouch, that's not good. Calm down.

My view is following: Carl initially misunderstood you. But misunderstanding is NOT ill-intent. It just happens. There was no sting in his post, I bet he meant it innocently this time.

I understood your post this way: if the OP wants faster blade, then, perhaps (because you said "maybe"), an option would be to just switch the top-layer from limba to koto. You perhaps assumed he wants (or would be good) to keep the 2nd layer spruce (perhaps you considered his rather hard and slow unboosted rubbers). So you proposed the Kong Linghui, which may very well be the best solution.

Later things escalated. Perhaps Carl misunderstood once again.

You should reconsider. TTD is not only Carl. And also a figure like Carl is necessary. Imagine if there is no guard against all this possible bullshit. We may disagree with him, but still should be a least a bit thankful.

It is all so unnecessary.

I think the Pandemic Lockdown has stressed out a lot of people including us TTD posters. This sometimes causes us to press send when we should have given the content of the message long consideration.

Carl, Nostalgia is Wenge outer plies.