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    Is there an alternative to Tenergy 05fx now?

    Hi,

    although I try other stuff generally I have used Tenergy 05fx now for about 7 or 8 years on my fh.
    I have tried 05 but find it a little unforgiving, I am not quite good enough for it.

    Now I love 05fx for this currently on A Sanwei Fextra 7 ply wood (which suits my pimple bh);

    Spin
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    Loop/Arc suits my fh technique.
    Love how bouncy it is

    I don't like;
    How bouncy it is
    Pretty reactive to incoming spin in Max, not so much in 1.9
    not the best for tight game
    Sometimes in max its even a bit bouncy for smashing

    So are any of the newer generation of rubbers more suitable

    From reading other threads it seems T19 might be somewhere between 05fx and 05, this might be the ball park I needed. One thing i Noticed about 05 is its better for blocking against power than 05fx, the hardness absorbs the kinetic energy of incoming shot better.

    I am a bh pimple hiting biased player. All I need on the fh is some control for serve return and tight short serve assistance. and some help in loops and smashes. I am a pretty basic player.
    I get drawn to Rakza Z but think maybe T19 could be the answer. I always find the Evolution rubbers not quite right for one reason or another, and I don't seem to like the feel of the thinner rubber thicker sponge modern rubbers.

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    Tibhar Evolution el-s


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    Rozena?

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    EL-S bah horrible
    Rozena for beginners under the age of 12

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    Take a look at this review: https://www.tt-spin.de/andro-hexer-powergrip-sfx/

    In his conclusion he says:

    "The rubber [Ando Hexer Powergrip SFX] also ranks among the TOP softies around T05 FX , Evolution FX-S or Bluefire M3 , but gives you a more catapult, softer and more forgiving alternative. In addition, the surface is slower than the surfaces with a thin top sheet."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOG
    EL-S bah horrible
    Rozena for beginners under the age of 12
    Well those were just guesses... You dont have to attack me. If you know better, suggest!. Dont attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahma
    Well those were just guesses... You dont have to attack me. If you know better, suggest!. Dont attack.

    No offence was meant, I am just a bit cheeky at times. I was smiling all the time and joking Ahma!!


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    Rozena?
    Quote Originally Posted by MOG
    EL-S bah horrible
    Rozena for beginners under the age of 12
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahma
    Well those were just guesses... You dont have to attack me. If you know better, suggest!. Dont attack.

    Rozena for beginners😆 MOG, you know Zhu Yuling won World Championships with it on the backhand right?🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkognito

    Rozena for beginners😆 MOG, you know Zhu Yuling won World Championships with it on the backhand right?🤔

    I fully second this tbh.
    Yes, Rozena is a level below Tenergy series but makes up for it in terms of control and it's certainly not a slow rubber.
    But saying it is for 12 Year old beginners is a bit disrespectful.

    I guess Zhu Yuling wouldn't stand a chance against MOG or any player older then 12....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOG
    EL-S bah horrible
    Rozena for beginners under the age of 12


    Why Rozena for beginners?


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    Quote Originally Posted by piligrim


    Why Rozena for beginners?

    Im thinking the same.


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    You should test the Tibhar Evolution FX-S

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_M
    You should test the Tibhar Evolution FX-S

    FX-S would be my hands-down choice to give a simple answer for a high performing, easy to spin modern dynamic rubber that is in the class of T05FX..The softer versions of Tibhar K1Hybrid might interest some others too. I personally have swithed to that rubber in the firm version (K1+) for BH... but make no mistake, that rubber is VERY DANGEROUS on your powerful counter topsin shots that is has a good arguement to be useful on FH too.

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    I agree with magic. FX S is a very popular substitute for 05 FX in Germany.

    But if you Game is a little more direct, EL P might be worth a try. By far the best evolution rubber for Blocking and Hitting, less explosive catapult than EL S and pretty good for tight play.

    If Evolutions are out of your interests, the Stiga DNA Pro S might also fit you. In my opinion it is as spinny as 05 FX, has the same high throw and gives you control. But I don't know if it is less springy than 05 FX

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    I would believe that a LOT of consideration should be given to a player's impact and how they overall play. Also what their stategic development is shaping to.

    I see some ttd members trying to apply that in their recommendations... that shows some higher understanding.

    Back to Magic's recommendation for a soft modern dynamic rubber (FX-S) I have the kind of FH impact that can make that joker sing in ways my other local players do not. My topspin shots when I go for 70% plus power are insane loaded and bounce different.

    I have had other players try my FX-S on my differnent bats and they are meh so-so. Not impressed they are. That is a live example that broad sweeping generalizations do not apply in all or even half the cases sometimes.

    Still, the question was asked to get a simple, concise answer and not a request to hear a dissertation on TT impact and play theory. So I guess I am a failure in keeping to the original spirit there.
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    For MOG, I think the best alternative to T05fx is T05FX. But MOG likes Der. So, if Der recommends something he may think about it even if he rejects the same recommendation from another.

    I have forgotten what Der recommended. So, lets hope it was helpful to the MOGster.

    Now the goon squad is coming after me so I better get out of here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl
    For MOG, I think the best alternative to T05fx is T05FX. But MOG likes Der. So, if Der recommends something he may think about it even if he rejects the same recommendation from another.

    I have forgotten what Der recommended. So, lets hope it was helpful to the MOGster.

    Now the goon squad is coming after me so I better get out of here.

    Carl, I did not see a part of your post claiming I like OFF Classic and should use it, so no Goonies for the post.

    I hope I was clear when I make wrote what I wrote that players should understand their impact and strategic development.

    Until a player develops advanced fundamentals of footwork, position, balance, perception of ball to mention just afew among ball striking... until those get solid, it really doesn't matter what one uses if you are simply trying to get great performance right after switching. What matters are SKILLS.

    What matters about equipment in the development phase is APPROPRIATE for the STRATEGIC DEVELOPMENT... very often, . flexible offensive attacking players benefit from a blade slower than OFF+/OFF and a modern/dynamic soft sponged rubber. In that arena, equipment choice counts for a lot, can either aid or hinder development.

    I have seen what recent vids MOG posted and made my comments when I made comments. Short of it is that MOG needs certain fundamentals to grow before he can make top performance even with his current rubber T05FX and that switching to another class may or may not be center of mass of the zone of appropriatenes for what he wants to develop...

    ... yet to develop, one must be in the situation to grow and do the things needed to grow. It doesn't have to be perfect coach led optimized, many a player have greatly iomporved simply knowing how therir fundamentals were jacked and get occasional reminding while they do the work in practice or sacrifice winning in matches or by practicing them with less pressure while goofing off in the club.

    As much as one or zero individuals on the forum may consider Der_Echte a very well developed player, I discovered I was ate up as all let-out 4 years ago after I failed at my first 4 tourneys in California... I entered into a new period of development, several actually, even now is one. TTD member erm tossed enough gear my way to have me try and realize that the pundit recommended slower wood blade and control oriented soft sponged rubbers (or the modern dynamic) were what I needed to get confidence, then develop better timing to point of impact within effective part of strike zone.

    That is the long way to say that MOG would benefit a lot more from an appropriate class of equipment over a specific rubber and that he should do what is needed to grow if his future goals are to perform better.

    Those same recommendations still apply to Der_Echte and hopefull, I also improve. Forums like TTD are great places to share stuff like this and be more dedicated.

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    Der Echte,

    your post above is fantastic and very sensible.

    My footwork has gone backwards again during a period of 5 months of not playing.
    The blade I use Sanwei Fextra may indeed be a bit quick, it is a bit stiff for sure.

    It is excellent for my kieler mid pimple bh which really has helped me improve results recently, hence with a lot more players play to my fh a lot more.
    I think there is something a bit more controlled than max 05fx, It might not have as much spin or as much arc, but something needs tweaking.

    I could try a slower blade but it would need to be 7 ply or carbon, as Kieler pips for what i want to do which is 90% hit everything with them need a stiff or semi stiff blade.

    They do not work at all for me and the way I want to play on thinner flexy 5 ply blades.

    But my footwork needs to improve more than anything else in TT, and that would give me more gains than anything else.
    Next would probably be always playing with bended knees
    and then always rotating my upper body on fh.

    Pips exaggerate the need for getting in line on the bh, you cant get away with cheeky shots outside of the line of your nose as much as you can with reversed. So again footwork improvement would really help.

    But 05fx is very bouncy and I think it might be making me a bit lazy in stroke production and covering up some weaknesses in technique and timing.


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    But 05fx is very bouncy and I think it might be making me a bit lazy in stroke production and covering up some weaknesses in technique and timing.

    I would argue that T05FX, and other rubbers in its class of modern dynamic soft, like FX-S are SO DAMN FLEXIBLE OFFENSIVE destructive helps quality and consistency on aggresive strokes. If one is getting along the development of fundamentals, one can certainly begin to use such a rubber incresingly more effectively with increasing consistency and quality as fundamentals imporove.

    The spin reactivity might be a detriment where you just stick bat there... but in offensive table tennis, you don't get rewarded for doing that(except on serve receive of short underspin), so why worry about it. The benefits of such a rubber become more and more profound as you develop that I believe that a player who is far enough along in realizing what to do and is taking effective action to improve would benefit from such a rubber.

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    But 05fx is very bouncy and I think it might be making me a bit lazy in stroke production and covering up some weaknesses in technique and timing.

    It is my personal belief that one can be aware of what is going on and be focused enough to pay attention t the fundamentals, biomechanics, and stroke/impact to overcome this gradually with progression.

    I have had a total of zero professionally coached lessons since I arrived in California 4 yrs ago and doing just that improved form a level well above the average club level to one that is clearly 4-5 levels since then... and I still feel like there is room to imprve another 3-4 levels.

    I do not believe it is beyong the realm of possibility for you either, I actually think you might have an easier time with it.

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