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    Short and Long Stroke Players

    So guys really confused topic for me how do people divide short and long stroke players the only really short stroke player I know is Robert Gardos and probably Ma Long and Xu Xin have a little bit longer strokes than others but that is all just small difference based on technique and how is there different equipment recommended for each type? I think most professional players have good long and complete stroke on backhand and forehand and if the stroke it short it wont be complete that is how I understand it. Probably you can use shorter stroke close to the table but still idk if some one has any idea what those internet coaches mean by short and long stroke players would be great and how are some blades for short and some for long stroke players?

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    What is a short stroke and what is a long stroke?

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    What is a short stroke and what is a long stroke?

    I think he means the amount of swing when doing forehand loops in this particular case.

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    I think he means the amount of swing when doing forehand loops in this particular case.

    Yeah forehand and backhand topspin stroke the distance the arm travels I guess from impai the beginning of the stroke to the end.


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    Yes, but i meant it is hard to discuss since we really do not have any definition what is long and what is short 😁 As long as the stroke is functional for youtr style of play and have good quality then it is good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Николай Петров
    So guys really confused topic for me how do people divide short and long stroke players the only really short stroke player I know is Robert Gardos and probably Ma Long and Xu Xin have a little bit longer strokes than others but that is all just small difference based on technique and how is there different equipment recommended for each type? I think most professional players have good long and complete stroke on backhand and forehand and if the stroke it short it wont be complete that is how I understand it. Probably you can use shorter stroke close to the table but still idk if some one has any idea what those internet coaches mean by short and long stroke players would be great and how are some blades for short and some for long stroke players?

    I assume you are talking about FH strokes. You talk as if a player only uses a short or long stroke. It depends on the situation and the time available.
    Short strokes would be better as long as the paddle reaches the desired contact speed. The problem is that the acceleration must be higher when using short strokes so there is more stress on the body.

    I have never heard of the term long or short stroke players. What does it matter? In the end you must do what works at the time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Николай Петров
    So guys really confused topic for me how do people divide short and long stroke players the only really short stroke player I know is Robert Gardos and probably Ma Long and Xu Xin have a little bit longer strokes than others but that is all just small difference based on technique and how is there different equipment recommended for each type? I think most professional players have good long and complete stroke on backhand and forehand and if the stroke it short it wont be complete that is how I understand it. Probably you can use shorter stroke close to the table but still idk if some one has any idea what those internet coaches mean by short and long stroke players would be great and how are some blades for short and some for long stroke players?
    There is what is called variation of swings. Depending on your recovery and how fast you are. Large swings are ideal but there are times your swings are shorter if you are out of position l.
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    Here is my take:

    Short stroke: Elbow is closer to the body, Better control and faster recovery time. Best for those who play fast counter attacker near table style. Example Harimoto and many female pro players uses this style.

    Long stroke: Elbow is further from body. Utilise whole body whipping motion to generate massive power. Playing style is best for power looper mid to far table. Classic example is Ma Long and Dima.

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    This totally depends on how far you are from the table and how fast the ball is approaching you. Ma Long doesn't take a long swing if he is 2' behind the table. He doesn't like to be only 2' off, so he is called a long-stroke player. The ultimate short-stroke player I guess is LSW. But if she got pushed back a few meters her stroke would magically become long. I don't think this is a relevant way to categorize players, and definitely not a good way for amateurs to select equipment, unless you mean something different from how I took it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brs
    This totally depends on how far you are from the table and how fast the ball is approaching you. Ma Long doesn't take a long swing if he is 2' behind the table. He doesn't like to be only 2' off, so he is called a long-stroke player. The ultimate short-stroke player I guess is LSW. But if she got pushed back a few meters her stroke would magically become long. I don't think this is a relevant way to categorize players, and definitely not a good way for amateurs to select equipment, unless you mean something different from how I took it.

    Ma long does long swings near the table especially on initial opening loops or if he is in position to do so.

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    Probably this has to do with their fh rubber, to some extent.

    H3 especially at 42 degree requires a large force to activate the blue sponge. Whereas Tenergy rubber requires less force to be activated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFF_lib
    Probably this has to do with their fh rubber, to some extent.

    H3 especially at 42 degree requires a large force to activate the blue sponge. Whereas Tenergy rubber requires less force to be activated.

    Also, with the blade or both. If you are using a Sardius with T64, you need a lesser amount of swing because of the greater speed the combo will offer you.

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    Something further for me to add:

    1. A long stroker would probably benefit from a more flexy blade with tacky rubber which produces a spinnier curvature ( low throw ) trajectory.

    2. A short stroker would benefit from a stiffer blade and bouncier rubber if his / her playstyle is a hitter.

    3. A short stroker would benefit from a stiffer blade with softer gripper rubber if hes / her play style is a controlled looper style.

    I may be wrong, but this is how I feel.

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