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    Forehand Flick (Short toss on the forehand side): The technique will be extinct?

    Compared to the Backhand Flick twin brother, which has been storming with many variations over the last 10 years, is becoming one of the most dangerous tactics in modern times. On the opposite side, the short toss on the forehand side is now very rare for the world's top athletes, will it be extinct?

    Technically, probably not much to say as this is a basic shot, there are a lot of videos on youtube that teach this. However, in terms of combat, it revealed too many weaknesses.

    The first disadvantage is in terms of speed, when doing a flick on the side whether forehand or backhand, one foot will have to step deep into the table, however, on the forehand side, your hand will stretch. out more than the backhand, which slows down quite a bit for later shots if counter-attacked.

    The second disadvantage is the direction of the shot, with a short ball on your right, when you hit in a straight line, it will be difficult to put out strong force because the bent wrist trajectory does not allow. No matter which forehand your opponent is, with the modern powerful two-fork style, you'll get a deadly counter-attack in no time. If you throw the ball diagonally to the far corner of the opponent, in case your opponent is forehand like you, you will hit their FH strong point, there is a high chance you will get a jerky loop back. mi or a quick quick jerk, then with a slow back, your reflexes will decrease.

    It can be useful if your opponent's hand is different from yours, like when Ma Long slams right into Xu Xin's backhand (Xu Xin can't hit Wang Chuqin's or Lin Gaoyan's backhand but gets BH back) .
    The third disadvantage is the ability to create spin, if the Backhand Flick creates many types of spin and many different spins, the Forehand Flick is very difficult to do so because the wrist range is not long.


    Currently at the top of the world rarely see players using Forehand Flick. Again, there is Ma Long, the short right throw on his table is very flexible, tricking the opponent into creating a surprise because when entering the ball, his movements look exactly like he is about to catch a short, but Ma Long throws the ball very flexible and tight. .

    Harimoto will also do it from time to time, but Harimoto's right throw is not as flexible as Ma Long, in return it has a terrifying speed, the opponent can still counterattack but the ball is not fast and strong, then Harimoto is already waiting to finish off.

    Xu Xin, of course, because he plays the Penhold, the wrist range is larger, so it's much easier to hit the table.
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    Nah, FH flick is alive and kicking. Rather, it's the real BH flick that is going extinct.

    In the past decade, the old-school BH flick and chiquita, sidespin flick, or just BH flick have become synonymous in English-speaking communities, which is not ideal. Chiquita is coined by Petr Korbel, who is most often credited for inventing the stroke, although there are some sources that mention Jean Michel Saive invented it independently while goofing around. Sidespin flick is an alternative as Korbel used it when commenting for the ITTF at Japan Open 2012. BH flick, however, should be reserved for the old-school flick.

    FH flick alive and kicking:
    Anton Kallberg vs Daniel Habesohn
    https://youtu.be/xPTUSq1TjEU?t=43
    https://youtu.be/xPTUSq1TjEU?t=177
    https://youtu.be/xPTUSq1TjEU?t=212, the closest to an old-school BH flick
    https://youtu.be/xPTUSq1TjEU?t=223
    https://youtu.be/xPTUSq1TjEU?t=327
    https://youtu.be/xPTUSq1TjEU?t=390
    https://youtu.be/xPTUSq1TjEU?t=438

    An Jaehyun vs Anton Kallberg
    https://youtu.be/9Ii5odM7pe8?t=74
    https://youtu.be/9Ii5odM7pe8?t=158
    https://youtu.be/9Ii5odM7pe8?t=202
    https://youtu.be/9Ii5odM7pe8?t=243

    Calderano uses a variant of the flick stroke that is referred to as "推挑" in Chinese, literally push-flick in English, where push means the motion of pushing, as opposed to the backspin push stroke. It is often used when the ball is too low or you are not in position to flick it at top bounce.
    Gustavo Tsuboi vs Hugo Calderano
    https://youtu.be/P313FqRYmnc?t=428

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    https://youtu.be/_gCnT04JYto?t=201
    It's a safe no-spin push-flick as opposed to a regular back-spin push.

    Also the hard flick is at the start of this video where Sun Yingsha barely even reacted to it.

    The second point after that it's a regular top-spin attack and notice that it's a lot easier to respond to it than a previous hard flick (despite being loaded with heavy spin).

    These hard no-spin flicks are often harder for the opponent to react and respond to because the spin is neutralized by the open angle of the racket using a brute force, so the ball comes back fast but with no spin and that is often harder to return than a regular top-spin attack.

    On the other hand when there is a lot of top-spin on the ball, it's often easy to borrow some of that power and reverse it towards the opponent, whereas with a no-spin hard flick you have to put your own power into an already fast-flying ball and it's harder to react to it.
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    Lin Yun-Ju vs Dimitrij Ovtcharov
    https://youtu.be/5QHs7T2igOc?t=208
    DO's push-flick
    https://youtu.be/5QHs7T2igOc?t=224
    Lin expected to loop off of a half-long return but it turned out to be short yet high enough and he had to switch mid-swing to a weak loop that felt more like a flick
    https://youtu.be/5QHs7T2igOc?t=338
    https://youtu.be/5QHs7T2igOc?t=361

    Levenko uses a variant of the old-school BH flick that's referred to as "翻挑" in Chinese, or flip-flick in English, as in flipping the racket over. Ma Long uses this stroke a lot. The WTT side camera angle shows the stroke really well.
    Andreas Levenko vs Liam Pitchford
    https://youtu.be/ulO16MoLo74?t=162
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    Think Almost the opposite. People will continue to do the banana flick but I think it will become kind of predictable if players only do it. Think it is a bit like that already now, players are like a bit chocked when the opponent push long instead of flick.

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