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Anybody tried Kokutaku rubbers and are they fast/spinny? I see some rubbers that look fairly nice like the M1, M2, M3 and National 5 on Aliexpress.Â
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give a url of the place on aliexpress please. I can not find any of the rubbers you mention.
I got experience wit 868 and they are ok for the money but do not last very long and are not
aimed at top players but more for recreational players like myself.
M3:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003098608190.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3c895776wRmk1l&algo_pvid=3594997e-f124-4a09-b232-725b9659413a&algo_exp_id=3594997e-f124-4a09-b232-725b9659413a-1
Black Ghost:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002740115460.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.24415a47BwqaYI&algo_pvid=6942fe96-b857-4a72-a38d-08506960768b&algo_exp_id=6942fe96-b857-4a72-a38d-08506960768b-0
National 5
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003169648608.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.51792342IJrmGs&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.169870.0&scm_id=1007.13339.169870.0&scm-url=1007.13339.169870.0&pvid=edf4777e-eeb1-493c-be62-45d8b500571b&_t=gps-idcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller,scm-url:1007.13339.169870.0,pvid:edf4777e-eeb1-493c-be62-45d8b500571b,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2382_668%230%23131923%2382_668%23888%233325%231_668%23888%233325%231_668%232846%238115%232000_668%235811%2327180%2345_668%236421%2330831%23984_668%232717%237563%23537_668%231000022185%231000066058%230_668%236808%2332770%23146_668%233468%2315609%23247_668%232846%238115%232000_668%235811%2327180%2345_668%236421%2330831%23984_668%232717%237563%23537_668%233164%239976%2318_668%236808%2332770%23146_668%233468%2315609%23247&&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sceneId%22:%223339%22%7D
interesting, they are all very competitively priced, especially the National version.
I noticed that some are made in Taiwan, also Japan and China.
Some are Kokutaku, some are Tuttle and others are Tuple brand.
As they are so cheap, one is tempted to just get one each and experiment.
I might get the international version 😁
It looks like they all came out this year. Let me know which one you get and how it is.
Anybody else have experience with Kokutaku rubbers?
i am only interested in the National 5 and this is not a Kokutaku but a Tuttle
you bought that National Beijing V ??
I play since a few month with the National V blue sponge. Before that I played with the G20 and before the G20 I played with the VIP 2018. They are all very good rubbers for whom like Chinese rubbers. They are cheap and last very long. In fact the sponge is used before the topsheet. The topsheet of the VIP and the G20 are different from everything that already exists. They are stripped, in one way for the VIP and 2 ways for the G20. The grip of all those rubbers is enormous. The G20 have the highest throw a little bit further comes the National V and after that the VIP.
The National V has a gigantic dwell time, the sponge is hard and need to be boosted. The topsheet is soft and elastic in contrary of the VIP and the G20. The amount of spin you can impart is very high. They are cheap rubbers and some can be afraid of the quality but don’t need to be.
It exists also a rubber named G10 to compete with D09C for half the price.
And too they have a large choice, for some of us it may be too much to see clearly their range, of rubbers for decent prices and more that that if I can say so.
Tuttle and Kokutaku is the same brand/factory in fact.
Big thanks, I can say I read all french reviews with translator and I find G20 is popular but no one write review about National V (orange and blue sponge) The G20 looks on YT review as artillery but heavy, diamonds on my Patek is heavyYes they are good rubbers, very good in reality.I play since a few month with the National V blue sponge. Before that I played with the G20 and before the G20 I played with the VIP 2018. They are all very good rubbers for whom like Chinese rubbers. They are cheap and last very long. In fact the sponge is used before the topsheet. The topsheet of the VIP and the G20 are different from everything that already exists. They are stripped, in one way for the VIP and 2 ways for the G20. The grip of all those rubbers is enormous. The G20 have the highest throw a little bit further comes the National V and after that the VIP.
The National V has a gigantic dwell time, the sponge is hard and need to be boosted. The topsheet is soft and elastic in contrary of the VIP and the G20. The amount of spin you can impart is very high. They are cheap rubbers and some can be afraid of the quality but don’t need to be.
It exists also a rubber named G10 to compete with D09C for half the price.
And too they have a large choice, for some of us it may be too much to see clearly their range, of rubbers for decent prices and more that that if I can say so.
Tuttle and Kokutaku is the same brand/factory in fact.
I think Aliexpress because it is not all their rubbers are made in China have high prices,,I've never used Kokutaku or Tuttle rubber, but I kinda gave up because they have toooo many rubbers and its hard to understand. I dont know what is their "flagship" rubber like H3 or Dignics.
I see all these rubbers like Hercules, Samurai, Attractice Force, 007, and it goes on forever.
I will show you something extra at the top of list
Wai Lok Special Made Blue sponge Rubber (TUTTLE) ?!?!??!?!
maybe it is this
https://www.speed-and-spin.com/product-page/tuttle-beijing-blue-sponge-version-spéciale
@Konrad Bak, that is exactly as you said. What is strange is that numbers of sellers across the Europe sell cheaper that on Aliexpress. When I used the VIP i bought it for 10,90 euros whiche is a bargain regard the quality of the rubber.
Here is the last catalog of Tuttle
https://online.fliphtml5.com/wpeyt/clkx/#p=1
You find complete reviews in French about the G20, the G10, the National V and the VIP on the following links
https://tennis2table.com/forum/revetements/tuttle-president-g20-2
https://tennis2table.com/forum/revetements/kokutaku-g10#post-29005
https://tennis2table.com/forum/revetements/tuttle-national-v
https://forum.tennis-de-table.com/t/tuttle-vip-2018-nouveau-sujet/23874?page=14
I will compare them if some of you are interested when I have more time 😊
yeah I found that catalog and review of the tuttle national v with nicopong stolen special edition rubber, what can I say more, big thanks for your work. You put every links which was hidden for me if I use PC, it is good to see someone who gets a lot work for unknown gem like Tuttle.
For me this catalog shows that German part of brand have own work, and they want to sell better products for us
The funny part Vip2018 has link to their site and the site is
http://www.chinatuttle.com/gym.htm
....perfect looking site
A380 has probably 3-4 different version of packages, from your catalog has black sponge so it is new, on pingpong777 it is white.
For me the biggest disadvantages from buying is their "season" work. If you like one type of rubber->you must buy 10 rubbers because it is easy to be out of stock, yeah I read that France shop can get a lot of rubbers, but one year later? It Can be harder to get
from the review of blade, the National V Beijing looks very low throw rubber is it correct
I would be interested to hear how their top rubbers compare to top rubbers from Palio, Yinhe, Friendship, etc.
I am sorry but I won’t be able to answer that as I have never tried any rubbers of those brands
yeah I found that catalog and review of the tuttle national v with nicopong stolen special edition rubber, what can I say more, big thanks for your work. You put every links which was hidden for me if I use PC, it is good to see someone who gets a lot work for unknown gem like Tuttle.
For me this catalog shows that German part of brand have own work, and they want to sell better products for us
The funny part Vip2018 has link to their site and the site is
http://www.chinatuttle.com/gym.htm
....perfect looking site
A380 has probably 3-4 different version of packages, from your catalog has black sponge so it is new, on pingpong777 it is white.
For me the biggest disadvantages from buying is their "season" work. If you like one type of rubber->you must buy 10 rubbers because it is easy to be out of stock, yeah I read that France shop can get a lot of rubbers, but one year later? It Can be harder to get
from the review of blade, the National V Beijing looks very low throw rubber is it correct
I cannot tell about the blade as I haven’t tried it. What we can see about Tuttle is that they target users more exigent about the quality. Chinese brands suffer a lot with an inconsistent quality control. But those new rubbers and blades they offer are very good and even if some of the new rubbers cost most it is still very affordable. We can see a really improvement such as better packagings, nicer blades. Also they can made on custom rubbers on special request as a sponge of a rubber with a topsheet of another for example or specific thickness.
Where it is difficult is the renaming like 868 series for example and it is difficult to follow for us. One day you you will buy a 868 Tokyo and another day buying the same the sponge has changed.
The G20 is truly amazing but very hard and the topsheet also but when you activate the sponge you can create massive spin, that is incredible. I switch on the National V because it was too exigent for me and the National V has the advantage to have o soft topsheet with longer pips which make topspin easier. The VIP is a very good option too but I find it more hitting oriented but also very good in the others fields, it is the softest one of those three and the red is a little softer.