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    VOC Free Vulcanizing Cement

    I need to know if I can use in competition?

    It's vulcanizing CEMENT not RUBBER sorry.

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    Please mods change the subject to:

    VOC free vulcanizing cement

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    Can you link to the product you are referring to, Merlin? Or, if you have the product, can you post photos of the label and whether there is a "Flammable Substance" warning on the container.

    When I do a search for "VOC Free Vulcanizing Cement" or "Water Based Vulcanizing Cement" I only see products that have VOCs.
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    It's all in Japanese, it's CFC & VOC free confirmed with the local distibutor also don't have carcinogenic agents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin el mago
    It's all in Japanese, it's CFC & VOC free confirmed with the local distibutor also don't have carcinogenic agents.
    If it does not have VOCs, if it really does not have them, then what would your reason for questioning whether you can use it in competition?

    How long before the competition do you plan on gluing the rubbers onto your racket? If it is longer than 1 week, even VOC glue is fine. Because, within a week, the VOCs would have evaporated.
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    It's this one, made in Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin el mago

    It's this one, made in Japan.

    Show me every angle on the label. I am looking to see ingredients and cautions or warnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl

    Show me every angle on the label. I am looking to see ingredients and cautions or warnings.


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    I want to be sure before use it in competition, some people said all the speed glue is banned or must be ITTF approved, but the only rule that I know by ITTF is VOC free?

    I didn't tried to use after 3 or 4 hours once glued.

    Of course I use it with FFP2 & in a ventilated area to glue it, once glued played without mask and no problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin el mago
    I want to be sure before use it in competition, some people said all the speed glue is banned or must be ITTF approved, but the only rule that I know by ITTF is VOC free?
    The actual rules are that you are not allowed to apply any substance to your rubber that will change the playing characteristics of the rubber. So, any version of booster or speed glue is against the rules.
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    Trichloroethylene eh? Sounds like its straight up VOC rubber cement. If you freshly glued and the VOC has not completely evaporated and the competition you are in checks with thos high tech sniffing devices, you could be in trouble but if not most won't care. If you are gluing right before competition, then just go with a water based latex glue like most people do nowadays.

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    Yep. If it is SPEED GLUE it is BANNED. That is Speed Glue. And the trichloroethylene is, for sure, something that would be considered a VOC by the TT world. Not sure what the people who sold you that were talking about. But that is not a WATER BASED GLUE. And I believe, if you actually want to use a glue that adheres to TT rules, you would need to be using a WATER BASED Glue.

    Here: Info for you:

    Why was trichloroethylene banned?

    Fetal toxicity and concerns for carcinogenic potential of TCE led to its abandonment in developed countries by the 1980s. The use of trichloroethylene in the food and pharmaceutical industries has been banned in much of the world since the 1970s due to concerns about its toxicity.

    You should have been able to find that on the internet on your own though.

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    So, if you want to be using that glue for its speed glue effects, there is no way around the fact that it IS AGAINST THE RULES. But if you glue, and wait a few weeks, then play a tournament, they likely won't detect the Trichloroethylene after a few weeks.
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    If so why all Chinese National Team that uses booster are not excluded of ITTF competitions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin el mago
    If so why all Chinese National Team that uses booster are not excluded of ITTF competitions?
    Yes, almost all pros break those rules. But, nevertheless, boosters are all against the rules.


    "2.4.7 The racket covering shall be used without any physical, chemical or other treatment."

    That is from the ITTF Rule Book.

    https://ittf.cdnomega.com/eu/2019/04...TFHandbook.pdf

    In the end, whether you follow the rules is up to you. But that glue is absolutely against the rules. It is your choice whether to pay attention to the rules or not. But it is not a question whether TRICHLOROETHYLENE is a chemical that would be considered against the rules. That is the substance that causes your SPEED GLUE effect.

    And, remember, speed glue and any substance that enhances rubber performance was banned in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin el mago
    If so why all Chinese National Team that uses booster are not excluded of ITTF competitions?

    It's because t'he booster does not content any V.O.C.

    Even the table tennis manufactures use boosters in the procces for their rubbers.

    The Evolution series, Bluefires, Rasanters... It's common between ESN tensors, and the H3 NEO comes with a booster layer on it, to give a chinese example.

    It's legal if it comes from the factory, but is not if it's made by yourself.Sounds something between funny and stupid, but it's how it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl05

    It's because t'he booster does not content any V.O.C.

    Salutacions.

    The pros who use boosters in international competitions know that it is hard for the ITTF to catch them. But the boosters are still against the rules. Some of the boosters do have VOCs in them. But not high enough levels of VOCs to trigger a response from a detector.
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    Yes both are right TRICHLOROETHYLENE contens V. O. C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin el mago
    I need to know if I can use in competition?

    It's vulcanizing CEMENT not RUBBER sorry.


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    Attached PDF of the new one without TRICHLOROETHYLENE
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