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    I haven’t played table tennis for many years, so I stored my paddles away. However, all paddles are okay but my Timo Boll ALC. I haven’t used it yet. Is it repairable? Thank you.
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    What’s wrong with it?

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    What’s wrong with it?
    Sorry, I didn’t notice the photos wasn’t uploaded correctly.Please see the photos. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rookies
    Sorry, I didn’t notice the photos wasn’t uploaded correctly.Please see the photos. Thank you.

    Contact Butterfly, this should never happen to a genuine product.

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    The foto's make it look like the paddle has been in the water.
    If there is water damage I don't think it is repairable or Butterfly will refund you


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    Same happened to a Boll Spirit in a german forum. A Member wo also builds blade on his own was able to restore it.

    First try your luck by contacting butterfly. It they don't fix the issue, contact a blade builder if they are able to fix it.

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    I mean either butterfly or a blade builder is pretty much the best advice, dont try to fix it yourself.

    Can you share what glue you use and when was the last time you glued ?

    And hm, first time seeing how ALC looks like exactly, kind of surprised its not really that tightly woven. Wonder how the tightness would affect playing characteristics.
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    The ALC looks kinda creepy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Zhuang
    The ALC looks kinda creepy.


    Indeed, actually it looks simply like carbon only, no Arylate. Unless Butterfly dies there Arylate in black. 😁 I know it is available in blue , green , red etc.

    Is there a possibility that we are looking at a fake ?
    If the blade has been bought from an authorized Butterfly merchant, this would have been the first place to go to.
    Even after a few years no Butterfly product should de-laminate like this unless it has been drastically abused.
    The fact that the rubber is still firmly glued on to the outer layer of wood is another indication that something
    has gone drastically wrong.

    Can it be fixed ? - I know I could fix it but it would end up being a playable blade but never a TB Alc blade


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    Is it a fake? Because actually on my fake ZLC blade, a part of the edge chipped off, and I noticed that it also has those little rectangles on the black carbon.Â

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Zhuang
    Is it a fake? Because actually on my fake ZLC blade, a part of the edge chipped off, and I noticed that it also has those little rectangles on the black carbon.Â

    impossible to judge from these pictures but zlc = zylon -carbon should look more like this:

    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1ImAna...zq6z2OXXa9.jpg




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    Quote Originally Posted by lodro

    impossible to judge from these pictures but zlc = zylon -carbon should look more like this:

    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1ImAna...zq6z2OXXa9.jpg

    But what does it look like under the surface wood layer? Does it also have those little rectangles?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rookies
    I haven’t played table tennis for many years, so I stored my paddles away. However, all paddles are okay but my Timo Boll ALC. I haven’t used it yet. Is it repairable? Thank you.

    Would it be possible for you to show photos of the base of the handle (the silver tag) and the front and back of the handle?

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    That picture looks like the colors were made extra vibrant

    You can see that the wove in the OPs pictures also has blue, just darker, might be because of camera or lighting, but its clearly not all black.

    https://i.imgur.com/F1UycWx.png

    Also here's some random image from a butterfly site of ALC, they look pretty similar at the bottom darker side

    https://cdn.statically.io/img/butter...lity=90&f=auto

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    The blade is genuine, that's how Butterfly's ALC looks like, the woven pattern is unique and no one else uses it.

    The "softness" that is associated with these blades has an explanation, basically they use the minimum amount of resin possible. That is why you can see spaces between the individual threads. The downside to this is that it makes the blade less durable, delamination of the top ply is not uncommon and I've fixed a few. It was probably stored in an humid environment, or at least subjected to temperature changes. The shrinking of the rubbers might have helped that process, I'm betting that if you remove them, they will be a lot smaller.

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    With that delaminated Koto outer, removing the rubber would be very dangerous?

    This really should be taken care of by Tamasu Inc. (BTY), but if it isn't, wouldn't the next best thing to re-apply resin (PU?) and apply pressure with the rubber still intact - and remove the rubber only after the top layer is attached firmly again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by yoass

    With that delaminated Koto outer, removing the rubber would be very dangerous?

    This really should be taken care of by Tamasu Inc. (BTY), but if it isn't, wouldn't the next best thing to re-apply resin (PU?) and apply pressure with the rubber still intact - and remove the rubber only after the top layer is attached firmly again?

    TBH in the case that Butterfly does not support this damage I would let this to be fixed by local professional. If the top is damaged the professional will probably have spare wood to substitute top layer. Either way after the fix blade will play differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoass

    With that delaminated Koto outer, removing the rubber would be very dangerous?

    This really should be taken care of by Tamasu Inc. (BTY), but if it isn't, wouldn't the next best thing to re-apply resin (PU?) and apply pressure with the rubber still intact - and remove the rubber only after the top layer is attached firmly again?

    If I were to fix it I would first check if the top ply was secure in the middle, but I would probably remove it completely and apply a new one.

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