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    How Does Boosting Rubber Affect The Throw Angle?

    Hi guys. I was thinking about using a sheet of 1.8mm Friendship/729 RITC rubber as my BH rubber after I boosted it with mineral oil/baby oil. Would boosting it increase the throw angle, decrease it, or have no effect? Your thoughts? Or is this another one of my bad ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by csxstars8696
    Hi guys. I was thinking about using a sheet of 1.8mm Friendship/729 RITC rubber as my BH rubber after I boosted it with mineral oil/baby oil. Would boosting it increase the throw angle, decrease it, or have no effect? Your thoughts? Or is this another one of my bad ideas?
    Here is the Revspin link:
    https://revspin.net/rubber/729-729.html
    Boosting a 1.8mm sponge might be risky. You might end up with a super soft sponge that bottoms out with a gentle hit.

    It will mean that the throw angle will depend on the type of blade you are using.

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    Hello, my Dear
    Good to hear you still boosting rubbers as hell.
    You are most welcome to enter our Great Kingdom of Ping Pong Cheaters.
    We, the King Crooky Skunk XXIII, will favour you with a big bottle of Dianchi booster in good memory of your joining to our famous Kingdom. .
    Come on, my dear, take your chance..
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    His smelly Majesty, the Skunk XXIII



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    USDC, years and years of trying to debunk this crap and still no progress. Some of it is due to people wanting a easy fix hoping the equipment will make them better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igorponger
    Hello, my Dear
    Good to hear you still boosting rubbers as hell.
    You are most welcome to enter our Great Kingdom of Ping Pong Cheaters.
    We, the King Crooky Skunk XXIII, will favour you with a big bottle of Dianchi booster in good memory of your joining to our famous Kingdom. .
    Come on, my dear, take your chance..
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    His smelly Majesty, the Skunk XXIII

    Igor, as a member of a former Soviet Union (meaning you, not me), I am hell of a surprised that you are not particularly sensitive to the "higher" injustice being forced onto you!!! Every f...ing one company is boosting the rubbers. They represent the state. Now I do boost too - you can call that an act of resistance (if you wish). If they do, I hell of a f... WILL!!!

    So please, stop posting this nonsense, do a bit of a reflection. Your core is still intact!

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igorponger
    Hello, my Dear
    Good to hear you still boosting rubbers as hell.
    You are most welcome to enter our Great Kingdom of Ping Pong Cheaters.
    We, the King Crooky Skunk XXIII, will favour you with a big bottle of Dianchi booster in good memory of your joining to our famous Kingdom. .
    Come on, my dear, take your chance..
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    His smelly Majesty, the Skunk XXIII

    Every EJ deserves a science experiment doesn’t he? Mind your own business

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFF_lib
    Every EJ deserves a science experiment doesn’t he? Mind your own business

    Thanks guys sff_lib and latej. I haven't really experimented at all, this only being my second racket and all. I know that boosting isn't really legal, but I only play at the clubs for fun, not in competitions or anything serious. So I guess it doesn't really matter- unless, of course, I meet igorponger there.

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    It is not worth wasting your time with boosting with Baby Oil.

    But, if you want a science experiment, have fun wasting time.

    But, it is worth knowing that, if you are getting your information about things like "Throw Angle" from RevSpin, well....I am not sure what to tell you. You may get better information about Throw Angle from a horoscope reading out of a comic book.

    By the way, could you define "Throw Angle" for me?

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    I would define throw angle as the angle the ball comes off after a loop. Typically harder rubbers have lower throw and softer have higher throw, chinese lower (DHS,729,etc.), tensors higher (ESN,BTY).

    I would assume since boosting softens the sponge it would cause the throw to become higher, but just my assumption, I didn't try to scientifically measure anything.

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    I've always visualized throw angle with this kind of image

    https://i.imgur.com/2Xi3xZ8.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustANoob
    I've always visualized throw angle with this kind of image

    https://i.imgur.com/2Xi3xZ8.jpg
    Based on the images of the different flight patterns drawn in yellow, blue and green, do you think there is anything that could be said about the spin/speed ratio that might be related to what you are showing in that drawing and saying is related to "throw angle"?


    For instance, is the ball whose arc lands furthest on the table the highest, middle or lowest arc? If all of those three shots were hit with the same amount of force applied to the ball, which one has the largest magnus effect (ball arcing down as a result of the topspin): which one likely has the highest spin/speed ratio (most spin in relation to the speed of the ball)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl
    By the way, could you define "Throw Angle" for me?
    The heretic pnachtwey got into a lot of trouble for asking that question on another forum. The forum wanted to burn him at the stake.

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    Call me a cheater or liar or anything coz' stick and stones may break my bone but...

    I cannot live without my booster / tuner. 😎


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    Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl
    Based on the images of the different flight patterns drawn in yellow, blue and green, do you think there is anything that could be said about the spin/speed ratio that might be related to what you are showing in that drawing and saying is related to "throw angle"?


    For instance, is the ball whose arc lands furthest on the table the highest, middle or lowest arc? If all of those three shots were hit with the same amount of force applied to the ball, which one has the largest magnus effect (ball arcing down as a result of the topspin): which one likely has the highest spin/speed ratio (most spin in relation to the speed of the ball)?

    Yes.

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    do a bit of a reflection.
    I guess, I should start with that. Karma rules. So, Igor, I wrote what I wrote in a too harsh tone after 5 biers. I like you, mostly like your posts. Let's just say we disagree on this one. Peace.

    Btw. it just occured to me. H3 is
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    - like karma, it rules :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerial
    I would define throw angle as the angle the ball comes off after a loop. Typically harder rubbers have lower throw and softer have higher throw, chinese lower (DHS,729,etc.), tensors higher (ESN,BTY).

    I would assume since boosting softens the sponge it would cause the throw to become higher, but just my assumption, I didn't try to scientifically measure anything.

    In fact it's just the opposite.

    Hard sponges with hard top sheets have very high through angle.
    Hard sponges with soft top sheets have high through angle.
    Soft sponges with hard top sheets have mid-high through angle
    Soft sponges with soft top-sheet have low through angle.

    The through angle depends on how deep the ball penetrates, plus what area of the ball is in contact with the top sheet.
    Another factor is the spriginess, the trampoline of the sponge. A more spingy sponge, though harder, may cause lower through angle - for example Xiom Omega 7 Tour vs Asia.
    In reality all that may be felt differently, depending on personal style and experience.


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    hmm, you may be right, I'm not a professional

    I may feel this way in my original post because I do not hit the ball hard enough and at lower speeds the linearity of harder chinese rubbers makes the throw angle feel low while the tensors' low power non-linear feel makes it feel higher

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    so you say boosters also lower the throw angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl
    For instance, is the ball whose arc lands furthest on the table the highest, middle or lowest arc? If all of those three shots were hit with the same amount of force applied to the ball, which one has the largest magnus effect (ball arcing down as a result of the topspin): which one likely has the highest spin/speed ratio (most spin in relation to the speed of the ball)?
    USDC, you seem to be asking rhetoric questions here. But we all know you enough to expect that you have some reasons to ask what you ask. I just don't see them, care to explain???

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    Quote Originally Posted by langel
    [p]In fact it's just the opposite.

    Hard sponges with hard top sheets have very high through angle.
    Hard sponges with soft top sheets have high through angle.
    Soft sponges with hard top sheets have mid-high through angle
    Soft sponges with soft top-sheet have low through angle.
    There is no data to back this up.
    you cannot justify any of this.

    Another factor is the spriginess, the trampoline of the sponge
    Now you are getting close.

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