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    i still think its good that there are some inventions coming up and i think that it will take some time to adjust to the look of it and that the opinion might change when they see players using it. its always normal to be skeptic in the begining, that is the nature of humans. personally i like that something new is happening. someone has to be the pioneer and look forward. go stiga!

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    I’m wondering about the physics of it. Resonance patterns will be affected; and will it have (more) standing waves, and the corresponding outliers? Strange instabilities, vibrations?

    The altered surface distribution must heavily impact the balance, shifting substantially more towards the head.

    I’d like to see an overlay with the JO shape. How the current normal form, the egg-shape, came around, I dont’t know. Trial and error, convenience in woodworking, an optimization in optimal restitution/sweet spot area in relation to weight?

    I’m a pro by no means, but I’m not missing hits by lacking surface. The distribution of contact points, for me, is a very narrow bell curve, with a very high ratio falling inside pretty much a coin shaped area.

    And I’m somewhat interested in how this gets evaluated. In other ways than commercial success, I mean.
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    I'm all up for innovation, and this could be in fact a great thing, we won't know until we try it, right?

    But to me, it just feels they are selling snake oil, none of their claims makes sense.

    "We kept it light due to German manufactured Carbon"
    No, you kept it light because you are using a Kiri core, probably some very hollowed handles too. It will probably very head heavy too, but that's a design aspect, not a downside in my point of view. Some people like head heavy blades.

    "Bigger hitting area and sweet spot"
    Hitting area and sweet spot are not the same thing, and they can even be inversely proportional because a bigger head size causes more lateral and torsional instability. But this also depends on other factors such as shape and composition. So I would love to see some real data on this, not some fancy graphs drawn over the shapes of the blades that tell us nothing. Besides, do we really need a bigger hitting area?

    "Linear frequency response"
    I like this one very much 🙂 What does this even mean? As Yoass pointed out, the vibration modes of this blade will be much more complicated. Again, I would love to see some real data, not some image of a blade flexing. But what this shape does is to make the blade flexier, more mass vibrating further from the flexing point, and less material to resist the deformation near it. Is this beneficial or detrimental?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hipnotic
    I'm all up for innovation, and this could be in fact a great thing, we won't know until we try it, right?

    But to me, it just feels they are selling snake oil, none of their claims makes sense.

    "We kept it light due to German manufactured Carbon"
    No, you kept it light because you are using a Kiri core, probably some very hollowed handles too. It will probably very head heavy too, but that's a design aspect, not a downside in my point of view. Some people like head heavy blades.

    "Bigger hitting area and sweet spot"
    Hitting area and sweet spot are not the same thing, and they can even be inversely proportional because a bigger head size causes more lateral and torsional instability. But this also depends on other factors such as shape and composition. So I would love to see some real data on this, not some fancy graphs drawn over the shapes of the blades that tell us nothing. Besides, do we really need a bigger hitting area?

    "Linear frequency response"
    I like this one very much 🙂 What does this even mean? As Yoass pointed out, the vibration modes of this blade will be much more complicated. Again, I would love to see some real data, not some image of a blade flexing. But what this shape does is to make the blade flexier, more mass vibrating further from the flexing point, and less material to resist the deformation near it. Is this beneficial or detrimental?

    think you have some good points on the above. when it come to the carbon part i beleive it can also be the carbon. does all carbon in all rackets has the same weight, probably not and i think in their point of veiw its a significant point from them, even that it might be kiri in the middle or hollowed handles.
    on the frequense part i read that they used some university to check this and to make the study. maybe im blue eyed and belive it too much, but its also what trust you put in the brand. i trust that they have all the data they need and they present it like they did in their launch. the same with the bigger hitting area, its a matter of trust. then i think some players will say its to small sweetspot, some will say its a huge sweetspot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Theo21

    on the frequense part i read that they used some university to check this and to make the study.

    That was KTH, The biggest techincal university in Stockholm. They get all kinds of commercial projects so it was probably done by some PHD candidates for a thesis.

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    Truls will use it tonight in Swedish League https://www.facebook.com/stigatablet...7852577284590/


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    Surely I'm not their target I assume, but all about this product seems like a joke to me.
    A fantasy tale dressed in technical words with neon stuff around.
    I'm sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazer
    That was KTH, The biggest techincal university in Stockholm. They get all kinds of commercial projects so it was probably done by some PHD candidates for a thesis.

    Cheers
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    thanks for clarify.


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    For Stiga's sake I'm hope this doesn't mean anything, but the fact that an unusually-shaped blade was used at Olympic competition by a player that (in his day) was higher ranked and higher profile than Truls M and it didn't catch on might indicate something. Time will tell ...

    Either way, I look forward to reading Truls M's comments on it tomorrow, and more so to the comments of 'normal' players once someone on this forum has had a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazer
    That was KTH, The biggest techincal university in Stockholm. They get all kinds of commercial projects so it was probably done by some PHD candidates for a thesis.

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    Not if they are allowed to use it in marketing. Then you need approval from higher up at the university. Not by a PHD thesis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl05
    Surely I'm not their target I assume, but all about this product seems like a joke to me.
    A fantasy tale dressed in technical words with neon stuff around.
    I'm sorry.

    Do you prefer Old Donic with a fat Waldner talking in broken English about the product. Or green andro with their cartoons? Or Butterfly with their copy of a copy of a copy, never doing anything new or surprising.

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    I do like the feel of a lot of Stiga blades. But I have also broken more Stiga blades than blades of any other company. In fact, I have not broken blades from other companies.

    It is almost like, a lot of their blades are made to be disposable. But they do feel really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calvincandie

    Not if they are allowed to use it in marketing. Then you need approval from higher up at the university. Not by a PHD thesis

    They do it all the time so that's no issue.

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    #55
    Whenever I try someone's (usually) allwood stiga blade I surprise myself how can stiga make a blade feel like that the wood it's made from was dead even when it was alive. These are all relatively modern blades as well.
    Their carbon blades feel more alive so it's really interesting how they do it.

    Stiga blade faces are similar to DHS, more longer than BTY so by default they feel head heavy. And now 5-10% extra head heavyness compared with standard Stiga shape sounds brutal.

    Also they claim this shape will provide more coverage right over the table compared to standard shape, but when I do a banana flick I change my racket angle/tilt all the time based on the spin, so in some cases it would be less coverage. But I never felt the need to have more coverage right over the table actually. I guess this is marketing 101, create a non existing porblem and provide a "solution" for it.

    The most sad thing I guess is that if someone buys it for 220EUR it needs another 100-120EUR for a rubber set as well and sheetrolling is a bit difficult with this one😅

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    Truls will use it tonight in Swedish League https://www.facebook.com/stigatablet...7852577284590/

    Truls won 3-0 against Soderlund. Solid performance and backhand looked improved compared to last week when I saw him in Tunis. Perhaps there's something to this.


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    For comparison sake, a match between the two not long ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLKwbskSWlU
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    For comparison sake, a match between the two not long ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLKwbskSWlU

    Wrong Soderlund. This was Simon Soderlund. If I remember correctly, Truls lost the last time they played.

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    Truls won 3-0 against Soderlund. Solid performance and backhand looked improved compared to last week when I saw him in Tunis. Perhaps there's something to this.

    Where were you able to see the game?

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    It’s linked to in the FB post mentioning Truls’ premier, but I won’t repeat it cuz friend don’t point friends to FB.

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