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    Hard vs Soft rubbers

    Hi guys, what are the advantages and disadvantages of using a soft rubber and a hard rubber like a tenergy 05 for the soft rubber and the Andro Rasanter R53 for the hard rubber

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    I generally get more control and a better touch with harder rubbers.

    I also find they are very good for producing spin.

    Softer rubbers are easier to play with in general, as they require less force to get a good amount of speed and spin on the ball.

    My recent example can be summed up in my move from T05 to D09c.

    Unless you are in position to play a good stroke with D09c, the results are average.

    Even if out of position with T05, you can do a quick whip of the wrist and produce a pretty good attacking shot.

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    When I tried T05 and R53 I thought generally that the R53 felt ‘softer’ than T05, I would say the rubber top sheet of R53 felt softer than that of T05.
    that’s what I thought, personal opinion, but others may think differently!!

    Both rubbers are used to better potential by more advanced players. I found that R53 was less forgiving, especially when the sponge was engaged and I was playing a stroke out of position or mis timed a shot. When in position and with enough time, I thought that my FH loop quality, speed / spin ‘felt’ better with R53, what my opponent thought ?? Should have asked!!



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    When I tried T05 and R53 I thought generally that the R53 felt ‘softer’ than T05, I would say the rubber top sheet of R53 felt softer than that of T05.
    that’s what I thought, personal opinion, but others may think differently!!

    Both rubbers are used to better potential by more advanced players. I found that R53 was less forgiving, especially when the sponge was engaged and I was playing a stroke out of position or mis timed a shot. When in position and with enough time, I thought that my FH loop quality, speed / spin ‘felt’ better with R53, what my opponent thought ?? Should have asked!!

    Ok thanks for the advice I might even try the R53


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    Quote Originally Posted by NDH
    I generally get more control and a better touch with harder rubbers.

    I also find they are very good for producing spin.

    Softer rubbers are easier to play with in general, as they require less force to get a good amount of speed and spin on the ball.

    My recent example can be summed up in my move from T05 to D09c.

    Unless you are in position to play a good stroke with D09c, the results are average.

    Even if out of position with T05, you can do a quick whip of the wrist and produce a pretty good attacking shot.

    Thanks NDH, I was thinking of trying the R53


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    I think we need to talk about blade and rubbers together. I think blade makes bigger impact and rubbers will behave very different depending on the blade they are on. I think many times players, especially younger players chose softer rubbers for control but they bottom out too much so they are forced to play to much upwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lula
    I think we need to talk about blade and rubbers together. I think blade makes bigger impact and rubbers will behave very different depending on the blade they are on. I think many times players, especially younger players chose softer rubbers for control but they bottom out too much so they are forced to play to much upwards.

    Agreed.
    There was also that one video from EmRatThich that talked about combos like:

    - Flexible blade + Soft rubber
    - Hard blade + Soft rubber
    - Flexible blade + Hard rubber
    - Hard blade + Hard rubber

    He also talked about what each setup was like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lula
    I think we need to talk about blade and rubbers together. I think blade makes bigger impact and rubbers will behave very different depending on the blade they are on. I think many times players, especially younger players chose softer rubbers for control but they bottom out too much so they are forced to play to much upwards.

    Yes I agree younger players shouldn't plunge for any carbon blades unless they're top level they should go for offensive or allround wood blades like the Primorac which I used to use, which is absolutely insane. I see often at my club the younger players have the innerforce alcs and tenergy. I think this is way too fast for them when they're still developing the technique, they can't control the ball properly. They should opt for an all wood blade instead and a slower tensor rubber maybe like rozena or roundell


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    Quote Originally Posted by GusShnaps

    Agreed.
    There was also that one video from EmRatThich that talked about combos like:

    - Flexible blade + Soft rubber
    - Hard blade + Soft rubber
    - Flexible blade + Hard rubber
    - Hard blade + Hard rubber

    He also talked about what each setup was like.

    Yes I saw that vid

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    Here it is:
    Idk how reliable he is, he's definitely a bit biased.
    I know some people here in the forum don't really trust him that much but welp that was the video I watched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GusShnaps
    Here it is:
    Idk how reliable he is, he's definitely a bit biased.
    I know some people here in the forum don't really trust him that much but welp that was the video I watched.

    Yep he is defo biased

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamiebtt
    Hi guys, what are the advantages and disadvantages of using a soft rubber and a hard rubber like a tenergy 05 for the soft rubber and the Andro Rasanter R53 for the hard rubber

    Strictly speaking, T05 is not a "soft" rubber (unlike say T05-FX or R42), it's a medium-hard rubber really, in the same league as MX-P or R48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vvk1

    Strictly speaking, T05 is not a "soft" rubber (unlike say T05-FX or R42), it's a medium-hard rubber really, in the same league as MX-P or R48.

    Cor, would you class MX-P and T05 in the same ballpark? Maybe I've forgotten how hard/soft MX-P was, but I always thought it was a touch harder than T05 (but that could be my memory playing tricks on me!)

    Having used Dignics 09c now, T05 feels like the softest rubber in the world 😂


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    Cor, would you class MX-P and T05 in the same ballpark? Maybe I've forgotten how hard/soft MX-P was, but I always thought it was a touch harder than T05 (but that could be my memory playing tricks on me!)

    Yes, MX-P does feel a bit harder than T05 but they are still within the same hardness class. T05 FX/FX-P/etc feel much softer, the difference is quite pronounced, IMO.
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    Having used Dignics 09c now, T05 feels like the softest rubber in the world 😂

    Agreed. I use Tibhar Hybrid K2 on FH and T05/MX-P feels too soft in comparison.

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    According to my memory, a fresh MX-P feels as hard as T05, but just two months later there is a significant difference

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    According to my memory, a fresh MX-P feels as hard as T05, but just two months later there is a significant difference

    Yeah, once the factory booster is gone, MX-P certainly feels deader. Still roughly the same hardness though.


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    That's the reason why my love affair with MX-P lasted so short

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    MX-P feels harder? I think not. MX-P feels softer than T05 even unboosted. It has similar hardness as Rozena if anything.

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    Never played with Rozena but this sounds a touch controversial after a quick qoogle search on mytt/ttd/ooak.

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    I used Rozena for years on BH since I don't particularly find the benefit of T05 instead. I also used MX-P on BH and MX-P never felt any harder they are surprisingly interchangeable with minimal stroke adjusment.

    It should be measured for both the topsheet and sponge hardness. As a complete rubber Tenergy 05 feels harder, T19 feels softer than both MX-P and Rozena.

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