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    Stiga clipper wood vs Stiga carbonado 45

    Hello,

    My first post, so be gentle with me

    ​​​​​I'm thinking of selling my carbonado 45 and buying the clipper wood. Can anyone describe the difference between the two in terms of feel, control and speed?

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    could you tell us a bit more to help get oriented? what is the weight of your blade? what exactly don't you like about Carbonado 45?

    Clipper could be heavy >95g

    and why would not you buy Cybershape instead? -- Just kidding here 😁

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    Thanks! It's 85 g, feels a bit lightweight for me. I don't know if 10 g more would make a difference., but I think I would like the feeling of more weight and harder/direct contact. But I don't if clipper is more hard/direct compared to the carbonado?


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    https://ttgearlab.wordpress.com/2019...view-lab-test/
    Read this about Carbonado. They say that the feeling of 45 is close to 5-ply wood blade.
    Clipper is 7 ply wood -->
    - so maybe feels a bit harder? But i find the clipper rather soft in feeling.
    - harder to create spin but easier to play with power since it is thicker than 45?

    Proably better sweetspot in 45 due to the carbon.

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    Thanks! Informative article. I've used Rakza 7 soft on my carbonado. Maybe I should try something a bit harder before giving up on the blade. Then again, clipper is cheaper than a pair of new rubbers 🤔


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    My experience is somewhat shallow with these two blades, so for whatever it's worth.

    They're actually not all that far apart in terms of speed. The Clipper is a bit harder and stiffer, the C45 a bit softer and flexier. Weight matters, a few grams more already gets a blade more oomph, especially when punching and hitting flat.

    To me, the Clipper felt more comfortable in blocks, flat hits and counterspins, whereas the C45 more naturally lead to all-out looping (even though it felt a bit crisper in its higher gears). Not extremely so, but to me there lies the distinction.

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    How long have you played with your Carbonado and Rakza 7 Soft? What did you use before, and how did that work?

    Rubbers wear out, so why don't try the regular Rakza 7 the next time instead, to get some more weight and speed? Now I haven't tried either of the blades, so I can't tell the difference. However it's almost always is easier to adjust to new rubbers than a new blade, in my opinion.

    Revspin has a lot of reviews, so perhaps you can find something useful there as well?
    https://revspin.net/blade/stiga-clipper.html
    https://revspin.net/blade/stiga-carbonado-45.html

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    Thanks mocker and yoass! This was my first blade after a 20-year break, just sold it today. Back in the days I used different classic all-wood blades (banda, appelgren). But for some reason I didn't care so much about the blade. Was more focusd on the rubbers and the glueing process.

    However, after using the c45 for a half-year into my comeback I didn't feel the oomph. Difficult to describe my my playing style. I'm tall (1,90 m) and prefer to stay quite near the table which means that I often want to kill the point early. So serve and kill the 3rd with forehand, or return with forehand/backhand loop, and kill the 5th ball.

    Haven't tried the more powerful carbons out there, maybe I should jump the train already? However, the clipper may be a nice and oomphy (and cheap) blade to use before I spend money on something that may be toooo oomphy for me?


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    Quote Originally Posted by matti77
    However, the clipper may be a nice and oomphy (and cheap) blade to use before I spend money on something that may be toooo oomphy for me?
    There are 2 classic blades that stand the test of time (according to my experience): Butterfly Korbel (for 5-ply allwood) and Stiga Clipper Wood (for 7-ply allwood).

    You can buy a Clipper and use it for the rest of your life. It is enough for us (mere mortal).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightymouse
    There are 2 classic blades that stand the test of time (according to my experience): Butterfly Korbel (for 5-ply allwood) and Stiga Clipper Wood (for 7-ply allwood).

    You can buy a Clipper and use it for the rest of your life. It is enough for us (mere mortal).
    Can you tell me more about Korbel why you like it?

    This blade has been on my mind a lot lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matti77
    Thanks mocker and yoass! This was my first blade after a 20-year break, just sold it today. Back in the days I used different classic all-wood blades (banda, appelgren). But for some reason I didn't care so much about the blade. Was more focusd on the rubbers and the glueing process.

    However, after using the c45 for a half-year into my comeback I didn't feel the oomph. Difficult to describe my my playing style. I'm tall (1,90 m) and prefer to stay quite near the table which means that I often want to kill the point early. So serve and kill the 3rd with forehand, or return with forehand/backhand loop, and kill the 5th ball.

    Haven't tried the more powerful carbons out there, maybe I should jump the train already? However, the clipper may be a nice and oomphy (and cheap) blade to use before I spend money on something that may be toooo oomphy for me?

    As I use Chinese rubbers and blades myself, it could be a bit difficult to help you in the right direction. But I would have checked some alternatives to Clipper as well, if you didn't buy it yet. Of these below I have only used the DHS PG9 myself, and that's a quite fast 7-ply wooden blade, but there's good control as well. Almost all Yinhe and Sanwei blades I've tried have really nice finish, and really good value for the money. All these blades seem to have a weight around 90-100g, so they might be in the right area. As you're Swedish, I attach some links to Swedish stores.

    https://japsko.se/sv/offensivstommar...yinhe-898.html

    https://wookiesports.se/bordtennis/s...-power-g9-off/
    https://revspin.net/blade/dhs-power-g-pg9.html

    https://wookiesports.se/bordtennis/s...dhs-power-g12/
    https://revspin.net/blade/dhs-power-g-pg12.html

    https://chtt.se/varumarken/yinhe/yin...nhe-uranus-u-3
    https://revspin.net/blade/galaxy-yinhe-uranus-u-3.html

    https://chtt.se/varumarken/sanwei/sa...anwei-fextra-7
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    My Clipper CR is 87.6 grams, so I wouldn't worry about the weight of a clipper. To me, it feels quite nice. A good blade with adequate power. A good blocking blade. Many people loop just fine with it. If you want a Clipper, there's nothing wrong with it.

    Having said that, the Carbonado 45 is a very well respected blade, and should be adequate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trumpet_guy
    My Clipper CR is 87.6 grams, so I wouldn't worry about the weight of a clipper. To me, it feels quite nice. A good blade with adequate power. A good blocking blade. Many people loop just fine with it. If you want a Clipper, there's nothing wrong with it.

    Having said that, the Carbonado 45 is a very well respected blade, and should be adequate.

    Well, I just sold the w45 and won't go back as I felt it was too light. Thinking of clipper with fastarc c-1 on both sides Or maybe g-1 on forehand 😯


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    C-1 is a good allround rubber, and it should work fine on the clipper. It won’t be terribly fast, though.

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    Depending on the wood used during the production, I used to find >95 grams batch of Clipper blades. But few years later, I found <90 grams batch.

    My Clipper Wood blades are 90 grams and 84 grams.
    My Clipper CR blade is 84 grams.

    I don't use it now, but when I used it in the past, I used the 90 grams Clipper Wood. Fast enough without being too heavy.

    I have no experience with Carbonado 45. Most of my carbon blades are "innerforce" types (composite close to the core) although I own Viscaria and its siblings just for fun.

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    Wow! Many thanks 🙏

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    How is Nittaku Acoustic compared to the clipper or other 7-ply woods? I tested the my friends Acoustic just shortly today and liked it. I guess I would get more oomph but loose feeling if I go with the 7-ply blade?

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    The Acoustic feels great. If you are looking for power, you will get more of it from the Clipper. I have nothing bad to say about the Acoustic, however. It’s a well balanced 5-ply wood blade. Great feeling.

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    So, finally decided to go with the clipper. Any suggestions on rubbers for this blade? Backhand: mainly flicks and loops, forehand: mainly loops and powerloops (has to be spinner than Rakza 7). Calibra LT, Tenergy 05? Other suggestions?

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    Stiga clipper wood vs Stiga carbonado 45

    Quote Originally Posted by matti77
    So, finally decided to go with the clipper. Any suggestions on rubbers for this blade? Backhand: mainly flicks and loops, forehand: mainly loops and powerloops (has to be spinner than Rakza 7). Calibra LT, Tenergy 05? Other suggestions?

    If you can master (and afford) it, T05 would fit these requirements. That does imply your level of consistency needs to be high, especially in the short/touch game, in serve reception and so on.

    Me, personally - I like T05 a lot, but do find it a bit too temperamental in the short game. No problem on good days, a frustrating amount of trivial points lost on less stellar ones. That's why I prefer G-1 in the end - a soft of kinder, gentler kin of T05.

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