Back to Forum
Results 1 to 11 of 11
  1. Michael Zhuang is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Elite TTD Member 115 1,030
    M
    Michael Zhuang is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Elite TTD Member 1,030 115

    User Info Menu


    Aug 2021
    1,030
    115
    0
    Read 0 Reviews
    #1

    Advice on 3rd ball

    Usually if I do a backspin serve, my opponent will slice the ball back and I can loop the 3rd ball fairly well.

    However, when I do a side-topspin serve, sometimes my opponent misreads the serve and chops it back. When this happens, the back pops up really high with backspin. I have a lot of trouble looping this ball. Most often, I will loop the ball straight into the net. Sometimes if I try to compensate, I may hit it really long. But basically I have no consistency with this. Any advice? Does this particular sequence cause the underspin to be heavier than normal?

  2. Lazer is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Senior TTD Member 292 681
    Lazer's Avatar
    Lazer is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Senior TTD Member 681 292

    User Info Menu

    #2
    I am normally totally against the necessity of videos to give advice to beginners. However this is a perfect exception to this. I’m not saying you are a beginner but here I think a video would be good.

    Cheers
    L-zr
    Steal a little and they throw You in jail, Steal a lot and they make You King... (Dylan)

  3. Gozo is offline
    says May the Spin be with you!
     
    Senior TTD Member 354 578
    Gozo's Avatar
    Gozo is offline
    says May the Spin be with you!
     
    Senior TTD Member 578 354
    #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Zhuang
    Usually if I do a backspin serve, my opponent will slice the ball back and I can loop the 3rd ball fairly well.

    However, when I do a side-topspin serve, sometimes my opponent misreads the serve and chops it back. When this happens, the back pops up really high with backspin. I have a lot of trouble looping this ball. Most often, I will loop the ball straight into the net. Sometimes if I try to compensate, I may hit it really long. But basically I have no consistency with this. Any advice? Does this particular sequence cause the underspin to be heavier than normal?
    High ball with back spin: Just smash it. It is OK, nowadays with gigantuan 40++ ball you can do it.

  4. Lula is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Master TTD Member 1,490 1,779
    L
    Lula is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Master TTD Member 1,779 1,490

    User Info Menu


    Oct 2016
    Sweden
    1,779
    1,490
    4440
    Read 0 Reviews
    #4
    Stop doing a serve where you get a return that you do not like. The purpose of the serve is to get a ball that you are good at.

    The Following 3 Users Like Lula's Post:

    merlin el mago, Takkyu_wa_inochi and 1 other


  5. NDH is offline
    says UK Premier Standard Player
     
    Elite TTD Member 1,168 1,025
    NDH's Avatar
    NDH is offline
    says UK Premier Standard Player
     
    Elite TTD Member 1,025 1,168
    #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Zhuang
    Usually if I do a backspin serve, my opponent will slice the ball back and I can loop the 3rd ball fairly well.

    However, when I do a side-topspin serve, sometimes my opponent misreads the serve and chops it back. When this happens, the back pops up really high with backspin. I have a lot of trouble looping this ball. Most often, I will loop the ball straight into the net. Sometimes if I try to compensate, I may hit it really long. But basically I have no consistency with this. Any advice? Does this particular sequence cause the underspin to be heavier than normal?

    As Lula said, don't do serves where your 2nd shot is often under pressure.

    Also, Gonzo is probably spot on with the smash route - Without seeing the play in question, if the ball is high and over the table, you can probably smash/drive through the ball, without needing to "loop" it too much.

    Lastly, to answer your actual question.... Yes, often when someone topspins and it's chopped back, the ball will have more spin than if someone chops back a
    backspin shot.

    That being said, don't worry about the spin - In this example, you really want to be crushing that 3rd ball and then you have a good serve with an easy 2nd shot at your disposal.


  6. yogi_bear is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Master TTD Member 2,870 5,961
    yogi_bear's Avatar
    yogi_bear is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Master TTD Member 5,961 2,870
    #6
    A ball even that pops up high with underspin will still hit the net when not hit correctly. Smash it but add some topspin to it to graze the ball.
    Last edited by yogi_bear; 01-19-2022 at 08:01 PM.
    ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor at your service!

  7. merlin el mago is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Advanced TTD Member 70 463
    merlin el mago's Avatar
    merlin el mago is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Advanced TTD Member 463 70
    #7
    Or simply wait the ball go down and chop.
    No more political prisoners in Catalonia.

  8. TableTennisTom is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Established TTD Member 265 138
    T
    TableTennisTom is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Established TTD Member 138 265
    #8

    Here's a video I made on precisely this issue a couple of years ago. It may help...

    The Following 2 Users Like TableTennisTom's Post:

    Dr Evil and UpSideDownCarl


  9. Michael Zhuang is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Elite TTD Member 115 1,030
    M
    Michael Zhuang is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Elite TTD Member 1,030 115

    User Info Menu


    Aug 2021
    1,030
    115
    0
    Read 0 Reviews
    #9
    Quote Originally Posted by TableTennisTom

    Here's a video I made on precisely this issue a couple of years ago. It may help...

    Yes, this is almost the exact situation that I am struggling with. Although for me, the opponent usually makes a more forceful slice with more spin than you show in your video. Your video is encouraging though, and I think I need more practice with this shot.


  10. Michael Zhuang is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Elite TTD Member 115 1,030
    M
    Michael Zhuang is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Elite TTD Member 1,030 115

    User Info Menu


    Aug 2021
    1,030
    115
    0
    Read 0 Reviews
    #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Lula
    Stop doing a serve where you get a return that you do not like. The purpose of the serve is to get a ball that you are good at.

    In theory, I should like the return. It is high, and gives me the chance to attack. But so far its tricky to handle.

    The Following User Likes Michael Zhuang's Post:

    dajdosta


  11. dajdosta is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Advanced TTD Member 111 221
    D
    dajdosta is offline
    This user has no status.
     
    Advanced TTD Member 221 111

    User Info Menu


    Jun 2019
    Croatia
    221
    111
    100
    Read 0 Reviews
    #11
    I think you should continue doing that serve because as you said in theory that's the kind of return you want and your serve was successful.
    With practice these will become easy points or at least easy attacks.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Create a new Topic:
Title is required.