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Viscaria Super ALC release!
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3 weeks, 10 years....no big difference. 
Besides, we are talking about true love here!
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I find the Zjk szlc and also the Jun Mizutani Szlc are worse compared to their non super pendants.
Both are way more stiff than the classic ones. It is not just about the technique. You can quite feel the bounciness of a ball once you play like several minutes with it.
Both Super zlcs lack the dynamics of the classic ones thats why the pros dont play them
Both are way more stiff than the classic ones. It is not just about the technique. You can quite feel the bounciness of a ball once you play like several minutes with it.
Both Super zlcs lack the dynamics of the classic ones thats why the pros dont play them
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Just want to add some more info here. Brought it to my local club over the weekend, had a few friends try it out, some of which are currently playing in NCTTA regional matches. And pretty much everyone gave the same feedback: fast, heavy, lacks control, need adjustments in form to get a good consistency.
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Can you explain how you judge how much control a blade has? I never understood that concept.
To me, just a blade with more flex is more control. Because it has more dwell time, you can manipulate the desired spin and ball trajectory more easily.
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I judge the control as in how much effort I need to put into controlling my stroke, it's not about dwell time to me, that is more about generating spin and the ball's trajectory.
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With the exception of the heavy part, isn't that pretty much any of the "super" zlc blades too ?
Played with it for an hour, 09C both sides, liked it. If you want a Viscaria with a softer feel, worth a try. A little bouncier, not a big deal.
These are my impressions from the Viscaria SALC.
After nearly 2 weeks with it… not as happy as in the beginning
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Most of Shaos points were unforced too long balls from Diaz… so is it the risky style of her or is the racket too fast?
Most of Shaos points were unforced too long balls from Diaz… so is it the risky style of her or is the racket too fast?
Probably the style rather than the blade, which is slower than the ZJK super ZLC she was using before. Looks like she was trying to keep the points short, probably a good idea when she goes up against the top Chinese players.
I’ve noted the lightest Viscaria SALC referenced so far has been 88g, with most in the low 90’s.
Has anyone purchased or know of someone with a lighter specimen?
It would be impossible to know and pure speculation, I wonder if normal Vis and SALC are using the same stock of Koto (and its 3+5 ply position of Limba & supposed Kiri core).
If this held true it would mean SALC composite weave would be at least ~8g+ heavier taking into consideration blade being 0.1mm thinner vs ALC version (difficult to find any Vis V series heavier than 84-85g, most seem to be in the low 80’s).
This could be a simple reason it plays so noticeably faster and supposedly lower throw according to reviews out. Similar concept to Carbonado series and how Textreme density is utilised depending on the speed/hardness requirement.
I wouldn’t think it would play softer unless the proportion of Arylate weave was ALOT higher. I have used Moonbeam and Hugo SAL and those being pure Arylate (no carbon) are very soft blades for their construction.
Has anyone purchased or know of someone with a lighter specimen?
It would be impossible to know and pure speculation, I wonder if normal Vis and SALC are using the same stock of Koto (and its 3+5 ply position of Limba & supposed Kiri core).
If this held true it would mean SALC composite weave would be at least ~8g+ heavier taking into consideration blade being 0.1mm thinner vs ALC version (difficult to find any Vis V series heavier than 84-85g, most seem to be in the low 80’s).
This could be a simple reason it plays so noticeably faster and supposedly lower throw according to reviews out. Similar concept to Carbonado series and how Textreme density is utilised depending on the speed/hardness requirement.
I wouldn’t think it would play softer unless the proportion of Arylate weave was ALOT higher. I have used Moonbeam and Hugo SAL and those being pure Arylate (no carbon) are very soft blades for their construction.
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It could be a pivot toward Butterfly marketing 09c even harder to stop the bleeding of DHS taking more and more market share.
If people know SALC is faster and lower throw it would be logical to pair with slower, higher throw rubber for current ALC+T05/D05 cashcows. If T05 is too fast then boom, D09c is your answer. Hello release of Timo Boll SALC first, I’m sure seeing one of their most marketable stars using 80’s tech Tamca 5000 with D09c does not reflect positively on ZLC and SZLC.
Also Butterfly: “just don’t look over there at LJK, WCQ, SYS and next gen rising stars Xiang Peng and Shin Yubin switching to/using all DHS configuration”
Here’s hoping to a permanent price cut to Tenergy and Dignics 05 as a result - pros are moving away from using it why should we be paying the premium? The only prominent D05 user I can think of on the rise is WMY. Harimoto and LGY have fallen off. CIC, DHK are too inconsistent. LYJ switched completely to D09c. Out of all grippy type Butterfly, T05 Hard is the one still relevant with Lin Shidong, Kuai Man and to a lesser extent Kanak and Lim Jonghoon getting good results in the past year.
If people know SALC is faster and lower throw it would be logical to pair with slower, higher throw rubber for current ALC+T05/D05 cashcows. If T05 is too fast then boom, D09c is your answer. Hello release of Timo Boll SALC first, I’m sure seeing one of their most marketable stars using 80’s tech Tamca 5000 with D09c does not reflect positively on ZLC and SZLC.
Also Butterfly: “just don’t look over there at LJK, WCQ, SYS and next gen rising stars Xiang Peng and Shin Yubin switching to/using all DHS configuration”
Here’s hoping to a permanent price cut to Tenergy and Dignics 05 as a result - pros are moving away from using it why should we be paying the premium? The only prominent D05 user I can think of on the rise is WMY. Harimoto and LGY have fallen off. CIC, DHK are too inconsistent. LYJ switched completely to D09c. Out of all grippy type Butterfly, T05 Hard is the one still relevant with Lin Shidong, Kuai Man and to a lesser extent Kanak and Lim Jonghoon getting good results in the past year.
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I completely agree.
At this rate Butterfly will become a specialist “blade”brand that no one goes to for rubber much like Stiga in the 90’s/00’s with Allround Classic, Offensive Classic, and Clipper Wood.
Mendo MP was the closest they got before their forgettable Magna, Neos, Innova overpriced no spin capability garbage.
At this rate Butterfly will become a specialist “blade”brand that no one goes to for rubber much like Stiga in the 90’s/00’s with Allround Classic, Offensive Classic, and Clipper Wood.
Mendo MP was the closest they got before their forgettable Magna, Neos, Innova overpriced no spin capability garbage.
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