Soft spinny control rubbers

brokenball said:

I still think technique makes more difference than the rubber.

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I agree with brokenball, changing the rubber won't help much if at all, stick to t5 and work on timing and backhand form. I say this with my own backhand experience where the issue is mainly not completing the stroke correctly/fully or bad positioning/timing.

I tell people to practice against a robot and listen to the sound of the impact. You can tell by the sound if the ball is hitting through to the wood. The sound is much different when truly brushing. You don't here the sound of the wood. Once you are successful at brushing then step back. This is important because the timing changes and this is also where the effect of the brushing, the arc, shows up. When close to the table the brushing just seems to make the opponents return go high so the next ball is easy to kill. The problem is the timing of brushing the ball.

Dr Evil said:

Lots of good advice, but it will work better with rubber like R7. T05 punishes small timing mistakes. Not what you want when learning backhand.

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This is true. I would even say Vega Europe which is a little less spin sensitive and a little easier to control. But either would be fine.

Still, the central point is that the issue is not equipment. Punches won't turn into a loop stroke by changing equipment.

FinnEinar said:

Hi, I’m a forehand dominant, Chinese brush loop forehand shakehand player. At the time of writing this, I can only punch with my backhand. I want to develop a good backhand drive, and a good backhand loop against backspin and topspin. IMO ‘good’ means spinny, because I play with spin, not speed. I’m currently using Micheal Maze Magic BTY blade (I think it’s limba ayous ayous) and Tenergy 05 on backhand, because I’m an idiot. I watched a review of a person 1000x better than me, and they said Tenergy 05 is the best backhand rubber, cause Ma Long uses it. Anyway, I want a rubber that is soft (45 degrees or less) that doesn’t loose out much on spin (or doesn’t loose out on spin) with more control, so good for learning backhand stroke.

If anyone in you club has a spinny backhand, could you ask them on what they started out using?
Highly appreciated thanks!

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This video is about two years old now. It was taken before the virus lock downs.
https://deltamotion.com/peter/TableTennis/playing c-pen.mp4
I am playing with Rakza 7 Max on my FH. You can see the Rakza 7 soft max on my FH loops well.
My BH has a rubber I glued together. It is made of a cheap HRS 1.8mm sponge and a LKT Pro XP top sheet I got from zeropong. I don't like thick BH rubbers but that is just my preference. I glued the top sheet and sponge together together. You can see get a few good BH loops where I hit the ball from below the top of the net. Most of my BH shots from above the net so no big deal. One big difference between my BH and FH is that when I hit with my BH the impact occurs in front of me rather than the side like my FH. The extra 2 ft the ball travels between a FH and BH impact makes a difference. I don't normally play c-pen. I made this video in support of the "who plays c-pen" thread because I think playing c-pen style is natural even though I got a little screwed up from time to time. You can see I had trouble at first hitting down the line to my right hand corner.

You can see that the Rakza 7 Max soft loops well. I think Rakza 7 Max is too thick for the BH. That is just my preference.
My BH works well because I use my wrist a little to increase the tangential speed of impact with the ball.
The blade is a Yasaka Extra Offensive ( YEO ) that I bought second hand for $45 from Tommy Zai on the MYTT forum.

I placed the camera at just above table height so it is easy to see the arcs of the loops and where I make contact with the ball relative the the height of the table. I was not serving to win points. I was playing for the exercise. I have no real technique when I am playing c-pen. I just think playing c-pen is natural. However, I must think about each shot since I only play c-pen when I get bored with playing shake hands..

I have done the math. I know what is required to spin the ball. My only problem is execution.
My point is that one doesn't need fancy equipment. Technique rules.

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Este video ya tiene como dos años. Fue tomada antes de que el virus se bloqueara.
https://deltamotion.com/peter/TableTennis/playing%20c-pen.mp4
Estoy jugando con Rakza 7 Max en mi FH. Puedes ver bien el Rakza 7 soft max en mis bucles FH.
Mi BH tiene una goma que pegué. Está hecho de una esponja barata HRS de 1,8 mm y una lámina superior LKT Pro XP que obtuve de zeropong. No me gustan las gomas BH gruesas, pero esa es solo mi preferencia. Pegué la hoja superior y la esponja juntas. Puedes ver algunos buenos bucles de BH donde golpeo la pelota desde debajo de la parte superior de la red. La mayoría de mis tiros de BH están por encima de la red, así que no es gran cosa. Una gran diferencia entre mi BH y FH es que cuando golpeo con mi BH, el impacto ocurre frente a mí en lugar de al costado como mi FH. Los 2 pies adicionales que recorre la pelota entre un impacto FH y BH marcan la diferencia. Normalmente no juego c-pen. Hice este video para apoyar el hilo "quién juega c-pen" porque creo que jugar al estilo c-pen es natural, aunque de vez en cuando me equivoco un poco.

Puede ver que el Rakza 7 Max hace bucles suaves bien. Creo que Rakza 7 Max es demasiado grueso para el BH. Esa es solo mi preferencia.
Mi BH funciona bien porque uso un poco la muñeca para aumentar la velocidad tangencial del impacto con la pelota.
La hoja es una Yasaka Extra Offensive (YEO) que compré de segunda mano por $45 de Tommy Zai en el foro MYTT.

Coloqué la cámara justo por encima de la altura de la mesa para que sea fácil ver los arcos de los bucles y dónde hago contacto con la pelota en relación con la altura de la mesa. No estaba sirviendo para ganar puntos. Estaba jugando para el ejercicio. No tengo una técnica real cuando juego c-pen. Creo que jugar c-pen es natural. Sin embargo, debo pensar en cada tiro ya que solo juego c-pen cuando me aburro de jugar a dar la mano.

He hecho los cálculos. Sé lo que se requiere para hacer girar la pelota. Mi único problema es la ejecución.
Mi punto es que uno no necesita un equipo sofisticado. Reglas de la técnica.

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