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    HELP: set up for a 15 year old girl

    please recommend me some set ups for a 15 year old girl (so not the most power)
    butterfly would be best (10 percent discount here)
    she said that viscaria with tenergy 05 and rozena feels good
    but the ZJK SZLC feels too fast even though it has a soft feeling

    which are best for intermediate players trying to learn the correct strokes and increasing consistency?
    - dignics
    - tenergy
    - rozena

    please tell which number of dignics or tenergy as well

    also some blade recommendation would be good

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    I think for trying to learn proper stroke, you don't need such fast equipment or expensive equipment. You can use a $20 Yinhe wood blade, to give you good feeling and control.

    And you can use a medium-fast speed Chinese rubber for $12 each to learn strokes. If you get dignics or tenergy, it will be really fast and you will learn the wrong strokes.

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    Something like these would be more than good enough for a 15 year old girl:

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005...05520111%21sea

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000...90491762%21sea

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    If there was a way that we can all describe ourselves as not intermediate.

    Honestly if you want a genuine recommendation, ask a coach from your local club who’s seen her play and then follow their recommendation.

    im going to give a solid beginner setup that’s well known:
    Xiom Vega Intro (max)
    Xiom Vega Intro (max)
    Yasaka Sweden Extra

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    Rozena
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricospin
    If there was a way that we can all describe ourselves as not intermediate.

    Honestly if you want a genuine recommendation, ask a coach from your local club who’s seen her play and then follow their recommendation.

    im going to give a solid beginner setup that’s well known:
    Xiom Vega Intro (max)
    Xiom Vega Intro (max)
    Yasaka Sweden Extra

    or

    Rozena
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    Primorac All wood Off-

    Yeah I think those are very good basic beginner setup as well. But why not save the extra money for a 15 year old high school student?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Zhuang

    Yeah I think those are very good basic beginner setup as well. But why not save the extra money for a 15 year old high school student?

    Who knows , maybe it’s a prize for her awesome school year from her parents? If the girl wants a butterfly she gets a butterfly 😁


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    I might be missing the point in this question but if she said she likes Viscaria with T05 and Rozena then why not get that for her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeGaGa

    Who knows , maybe it’s a prize for her awesome school year from her parents? If the girl wants a butterfly she gets a butterfly 😁

    Haha fine by me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwill
    I might be missing the point in this question but if she said she likes Viscaria with T05 and Rozena then why not get that for her?

    Sure, if she likes those, then get it. But she also said she wants to develop strokes. Viscaria is the blade of olympic champion and quite fast. I think a slower, flexier blade and rubber is better for developing strokes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tabletennislover7
    please recommend me some set ups for a 15 year old girl (so not the most power)
    butterfly would be best (10 percent discount here)
    she said that viscaria with tenergy 05 and rozena feels good
    but the ZJK SZLC feels too fast even though it has a soft feeling

    which are best for intermediate players trying to learn the correct strokes and increasing consistency?
    - dignics
    - tenergy
    - rozena

    please tell which number of dignics or tenergy as well

    also some blade recommendation would be good

    How long has she played table tennis?

    I assume that she has played for 3-5 years and needs to work on the technique and footwork?
    If this is the case I wouldn't recommend Tenergy, Dignics or Rozena.
    To learn the strokes you'll need a more controllable blade and rubbers that are more linear than the Butterflies

    Why not take a look at a light weight blade like Sanwei Feather Carbon and the Sanwei Gear Hyper rubber.
    The blade is a slower, carbon blade in about Offensive- area and the rubbers got really good spin and control, and sufficent speed but without being too bouncy like Tenergy etc...

    https://sanweisport.com/english/prod...eather-carbon/
    https://sanweisport.com/english/prod...ar/gear-hyper/


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    At our club, one coach told us that if you don't practice 1000 hours in a year, you should not go for a fast setup. He himself has never used a fast setup. I totally agree with him, I myself made a big mistake of going with a fast setup (Viscaria + Tenergy and Dignics rubber combos) at a recreational level and now i'm back to slow setup with 5 ply wood blade and medium thickness rubbers, with the hardness characteristic of FH rubber being a little harder than BH. The main reason for the U-Turn in my case is that I realized that it is extremely important to have conviction in your shots and that usually comes from a slower setup, you can open your arms more, you get more feeling for the ball. For me, the faster setup worked very well too during the regular practice days, but during the competition days, it was a different story. The moment, i started hitting couple of balls outside the table, I used to loose confidence, become defensive, start to doubt myself and get second thoughts, This is VERY BAD. Your brain starts to meddle with your natural movements, this is game over then. So, until your daughter is going to put many many hours (as our coach said 1000 hours a year) with proper training, I really recommend you to stay with slow setup. What I've mentioned is nothing new. I've read similar experiences here. There is also nothing wrong in going through this same path of self-realization, however, time only moves forward so, taking pragmatic decisions and setting correct expectations are the key. As an example, I am 40 years old, not very fit, recreational level player (From next season, i play at class 4 of Dutch NTTB) and I sort of wasted about 2 years trying to somehow adapt to hard sticky Chinese rubbers without putting much effort and that did cause me more harm than good. And now I play with a much slower setup that I believe is more aligned to my current skill level.

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    coach literally recommended tenergy 05 for forehand and 64 for backhand on a ZJK SZLC for around 500 dollars


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    coach in thailand just gives everyone at least TB ALC and ROZENA even like 6 year old beginners

    never wood blade, he thinks not good for new era


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    Quote Originally Posted by tabletennislover7
    coach in thailand just gives everyone at least TB ALC and ROZENA even like 6 year old beginners

    never wood blade, he thinks not good for new era

    Given this statement, you have 2 options.

    1. Blindly go with what the coach says and trust that they know what they are doing.

    I would do this if the coach has proven success of training others to a high standard, and is a well respected coach.

    2. Ignore their advice and take random strangers advice on the internet.

    Once you get past the obvious downsides to this, my personal feeling is that you've received better advice from below, than you have from your coach.

    That being said.... If you are lucky enough to have a *good* coach locally, who is willing to recommend any equipment, I wouldn't hesitate to follow their advice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NDH

    Given this statement, you have 2 options. 1. Blindly go with what the coach says and trust that they know what they are doing. I would do this if the coach has proven success of training others to a high standard, and is a well respected coach. 2. Ignore their advice and take random strangers advice on the internet. Once you get past the obvious downsides to this, my personal feeling is that you've received better advice from below, than you have from your coach. That being said.... If you are lucky enough to have a *good* coach locally, who is willing to recommend any equipment, I wouldn't hesitate to follow their advice.

    Having been involved with 3 top coaches (one being a former Olympian/Top WR player), I can tell you a lot of coaches make very clueless recommendation on equipment and then by the time the player gets into our school, we are figuring out why why why, did the coach in junior high made those changes.... For female, we seeing a lot of coaches changing players to pips, because they can't brush the ball. That is the biggest sad story of my past 2 years... so yeah, coach said this, might not always be the best, but the 1000 hours a year comment above, I would agree to. If you not even training for 20 hours a week, you are only an amateur. For OP. If the lady has tried that setup she likes, then go for it. I would prefer wood blade instead, and later she can change to Carbon But all depend on how good she is (intermediate in one country could be a national champion in another)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabletennislover7

    coach literally recommended tenergy 05 for forehand and 64 for backhand on a ZJK SZLC for around 500 dollars

    This coach sounds a little ridiculous. ZJK SZLC is one of the fastest blades in the world, it is the exact opposite of the type of blade you should get. It is for speed, and has bad control and feeling. Tenergy also is very expensive and very fast. It has a strong catapult effect and ends up doing all the work for you, so you don't learn the proper technique.

    Wood blade is definitely best for getting control and feeling and learning proper technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabletennislover7
    coach in thailand just gives everyone at least TB ALC and ROZENA even like 6 year old beginners

    never wood blade, he thinks not good for new era

    Does the coach get a kickback from the butterfly seller? I think he probably does. I remember in Thailand, taxi drivers would get paid a kickback if they drove a customer to an expensive restaurant or club. I think your coach gets paid some money if he sends a customer to the Butterfly seller to buy an expensive racket. At the least, it sounds like your coach is very close with the Butterfly seller.

    I think his recommendation is crazy.

    Do you have $500 extra available?? When I was 15 years old, I did not have $500. I would highly recommend going with the Yinhe recommendation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis

    Having been involved with 3 top coaches (one being a former Olympian/Top WR player), I can tell you a lot of coaches make very clueless recommendation on equipment

    I know what you are saying, and in this instance, I’m more inclined to agree (given the set up the coach has recommended).

    However, the alternative is to take advice from a bunch of random people on the internet, who you have no idea about.

    We don’t have any info on the girl in question, so everyone is really advising in the dark at this point.

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    We can debate this forever... anyone wanna know what ex-pro Korean coaches were issuing to their new students by the dozen when I waz there?

    BTY OFF++ Schlager Carbon with a mid-firm early Gen Tensor both sides. Why issue the fastest and not so spinny gear on the planet? That setup offered the easiest control and performance of the shot that mattered to coach - the FH hit. After one month, a new player would be close to table blasting it back and forth high speed little spin 100, then 200 then 500 times in a row. Coach valued footwork and FH hitting back then... which was only a decade ago. More modern retiring pros are trying to get players to spin on both wings, so many go closer to the middle, which is still OFF with modern mid firm rubbers.

    I would be barely able to hit 10-20 like that...good for me I do not find myself hitting the ball with little to no spin real hard more than once in a rally. I like to spin and geared my equipment to do that.
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    If she has an opportunity to test blades, my advice would be to pick the setup allows her to play the elements she is the worst at very well and feels good. A few of the players I know do get fixed too much on performance behind the table and looping, but cannot control their setups over the table at all. You can give them weak ball that is short and they will fail time and time again.

    When it comes to concrete recommendation from a random on the internet. A lot of people I play with who span from official leagues, finishing at recreational players use either thin 7 ply (sub or = 6mm, Tibhar Curious) or a thick 5 ply (5.7mm+, Tibhar Lebesson) in combination with MX-P/D on FH and EL-P/MX-P on BH (the MX-P + EL-P is much easier to use). I do not know why exactly this seems to work on such a wide group of people, but no one is really complaining on the training sessions. It does not have the prestige, but it gets the job done.
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