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    Be honest guys: you don't need carbon blades

    Emmanuel Lebesson: 2016 ETTC champion, all wood blade
    Simon Gauzy: 2016 ETTC runner-up, all wood blade
    TTD's Tom "The Frog" Maynard: all wood blade

    In my club, the top players are ranked 1700 to 1800 FFTT, means RC or USATT 2200 to 2300 !!! and... none of them use carbon blades.

    So when I remember myself trying to master those BTY ALC outer or inner whatever blades with ESN/Jap rubbers with my tiny current RC 1400, I just ... laugh how stupid I was.

    I've played a guy just ranked 200 pts over me, I've beaten him twice maybe, but most of the time I've lost 4-0 or 4-1 at least a dozen of times: he uses a butterfly all wood 5 ply blade !!! his control is ridiculous ! his serves, receives and backspin pushes are so spinny it's a nightmare to handle, he's got tons of control and placement variations in his blocks, and his loops and counterloops are always spot on with the right spin speed and placement. He trains once a week only, no cardio, running, only some stretching and that's all. This guy has the smartest and clever brain I know.

    Unless you're a top national in your country, I don't think you need any of those carbon composite blades. Of course composite materials can bring a lot for the sweet spot enlargement and better control, like the Zylon in the ZLF innerlayer blades, the Glassfiber, but carbon is way too much unless you add at least 2 strong and thick layers of ayous or limba to compensate its too much strong reaction properties. Better play with an all-wood blade then ! Unless you are a top national, this sport is all about technique and control, intelligence and nerves control.

    The rubbers are now being harder and harder with a much stronger catapult effect, the first time I played with a Rasanter R47 Ultramax on an all wood OFF- blade I felt like I was playing with speed glue guys ! I mean, for most of us even 2.0mm sponge thickness is enough !

    Be honest first, most of time the mistakes we make are all because of a lack of control abilities, a lack of feeling because of a too much hard and stiff blade.

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    Unless you're a top national in your country

    I personally trained and played with top player from Slovakia (Zoltan Lelkes). He was around top 4 in the country for that time and he was playing with Stiga Defensive NCT. He's not a defensive player.
    No kidding, the guy has ridiculous spins in his shots, and, when needed, the speed is added with proper technique. The rubbers were Victas V15 something I don't recall really, since it doesn't really matter 😀

    Nittaku Acoustic is probably enough for everyone.

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    Yep. Agree. Not much more to say. People are going to do what they are going to do. But if people understood what was best for them......well....things would be different. hahahahaha.

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    Completely, agree. My fastest blade is not my pimorac Carbon, it’s actually my Yasaka silver 9. This blade it’s not only all wood (9 layers) it’s also super fast with a huge sweet spot. I have not been able to tame that beast…

    Im playing with a significantly slower blade, like the primorac carbon but the tamca5000 is replaced with sucupira ( Brazilian hardwood ) and built by hipnotic, works perfect even though it doesn’t have the large sweet spot that carbon blade often have.

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    #5
    The same to be said of Max sponge rubbers
    if your level isn't there, you should go 1 level down on thickness.

    But no, OFF+++ blade with MAX+++ rubbers
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    #6
    I've found that the normal 5-ply all wood blade is often even too fast for me after I found the proper technique using just normal commercial H3 rubbers.

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    #7
    Speak for yourself. I have short pips and I need carbon for stiffness. Could use a clipper or clone, but seven-ply are harder to loop with than a composite blade. It's not a fast setup with hurricane 8 fh, and my very weak self swinging it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brs
    Speak for yourself. I have short pips and I need carbon for stiffness. Could use a clipper or clone, but seven-ply are harder to loop with than a composite blade. It's not a fast setup with hurricane 8 fh, and my very weak self swinging it.
    The footage I have seen of you playing, you have chosen your equipment well. But you are also higher level than a lot of people who obsess over equipment.

    And you definitely get loads of spin on the shots you want it on.

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    it is 90% about technique and skill. for 90% of club players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superbackhand
    it is 90% about technique and skill. for 90% of club players.
    Hi superbackhand, welcome to the forum.

    Your post is short, but imo, it's true. Equipment matters to some degree, and in the universe within this degree, we can discuss with increasing finesse (and great joy) about what and when is appropriate. And then you come and tell us that our universe is only 10% of all the universe. I like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by latej
    Hi superbackhand, welcome to the forum.

    Your post is short, but imo, it's true. Equipment matters to some degree, and in the universe within this degree, we can discuss with increasing finesse (and great joy) about what and when is appropriate. And then you come and tell us that our universe is only 10% of all the universe. I like that.

    Yea but there is only so much we can actually discuss other than equipment.

    How many of us are qualified to critique other people's techniques or games? Or tactics deployed in pro's games? Hell, I even avoid to give my opinion on my own equipment cause I think my level is too low to give reliable information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superbackhand
    it is 90% about technique and skill. for 90% of club players.

    its about 100 % techique and skill for 100 % of all players.

    Equipment just magnifies your level, either bad or good. Like all things in life first you crawl, then you walk, then you run and maybe if you are lucky enough you will achieve to fly. So yeah most of the newbie players or recreational club players DONT need carbon blades with very few exceptions.

    Stellan Bengtsson has trained youngsters successfully using carbon blades, BUT he knew the importance of slow repetitions and he got them to do the required numbers of repetitions as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldUser
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    Unless you're a top national in your country, I don't think you need any of those carbon composite blades.
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    This is just not true at all... I have a friend who used to be in Hebei provincial team, so not top national player in China. He now plays here in the states in NCTTA, and he's got a USATT rating around 2500, still not top national player. He uses a composite blade, and I really doubt you can say that he shouldn't be using one.

    Also, it's wrong to say all wood blades have more control than composite blades, it really depends on the material and construction. There's no perfect blade or rubber that fits everyone, because we're all unique human beings. There's also no one blade or rubber that can do it all, it's always a compromise among all the characteristics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeGaGa

    This is just not true at all... I have a friend who used to be in Hebei provincial team, so not top national player in China. He now plays here in the states in NCTTA, and he's got a USATT rating around 2500, still not top national player. He uses a composite blade, and I really doubt you can say that he shouldn't be using one.

    Also, it's wrong to say all wood blades have more control than composite blades, it really depends on the material and construction. There's no perfect blade or rubber that fits everyone, because we're all unique human beings. There's also no one blade or rubber that can do it all, it's always a compromise among all the characteristics.

    Agreed.
    But I think it has something to do with age. The older players started with wooden blades, so they like wood more. The new players love the speed and power of carbon.
    I started to play with carbon, and I still can’t get used to a slower blade.
    I think it’s more of a personal choice. Some people like wood, and play better with it. A lot of people love carbon, and play better with that.
    Nobody can judge which one is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeGaGa

    This is just not true at all... I have a friend who used to be in Hebei provincial team, so not top national player in China. He now plays here in the states in NCTTA, and he's got a USATT rating around 2500, still not top national player. He uses a composite blade, and I really doubt you can say that he shouldn't be using one.

    Also, it's wrong to say all wood blades have more control than composite blades, it really depends on the material and construction. There's no perfect blade or rubber that fits everyone, because we're all unique human beings. There's also no one blade or rubber that can do it all, it's always a compromise among all the characteristics.

    Is the person you are talking about Jun xiao?


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    Quote Originally Posted by matt243385

    Is the person you are talking about Jun xiao?

    Yep. 😉 You know him too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeGaGa

    Yep. 😉 You know him too?

    lol yeah

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    lol yeah

    He’s the best player I know in person, hopefully I get to see him again this summer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldUser
    Emmanuel Lebesson: 2016 ETTC champion, all wood blade
    Simon Gauzy: 2016 ETTC runner-up, all wood blade
    TTD's Tom "The Frog" Maynard: all wood blade

    To play devils advocate here..... (because, I find that a really popular method of communication online /s)

    You've listed a few people who use all wood blades to good effect....

    But they are absolutely the minority (significantly so) - So on the face of it, it's better to use a Carbon blade.... because that's what *most* pro's use.

    Now we've got that out of the way..... I agree with you to an extent, and have said so myself many times.

    It's hard to gauge the "average" standard worldwide (and on this forum), and I often get a little "imposters syndrome" myself, when talking about "good" players, as I still feel that I have so much to improve on.

    For my personal situation (and others I play in the league with), the carbon blades help, although perhaps not as much as people think.

    I certainly don't think *most* people (exceptions apply), should use a Carbon blade until they are a very good player......

    But even below the pro level, it can be the better option for some people.

    So, yes.... Your point is mostly valid in my eyes, and will certainly apply to a lot of people..... But it's not quite as black and white as you make out.

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    Do I need it? - No.

    Do I want it?- f yea.

    I don't boost, I was until recently on a normal 5 ply, and un-boosted Chinese topsheet is definitely better with a little carbon help.

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