BH rubber advice

I played with the LSF for about four years, as did two friends, and we all liked the blade. It’s flexible, like a wood blade (e.g., Acoustic). Flexibility adds spin, so you can play with harder rubber, and still get the spin you want for looping and flipping. Flexibility hurts drives, smashes, and blocks however. I used T05 and other rubbers, including H3.

I’d consider using a harder sponge with the LSW, like 2.1 D05 (or even 2.1 09c if the low power won’t bother you).

Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis

I'm not too sure, maybe some countries might still have.
It is the same as innerforce zlf, just slightly bigger head size.

Its plies and zlf are all soft, so its very flex blade.

It doesn't sell very well in most places I've been to. Same as the Fukuhara ZLF before LSW

What does it means that it IS very flexy? I dont understand it, how does very flexy blade behave ? What are the pros and cons of flex blades ?

Originally Posted by ClimbK2

I played with the LSF for about four years, as did two friends, and we all liked the blade. It’s flexible, like a wood blade (e.g., Acoustic). Flexibility adds spin, so you can play with harder rubber, and still get the spin you want for looping and flipping. Flexibility hurts drives, smashes, and blocks however. I used T05 and other rubbers, including H3.

I’d consider using a harder sponge with the LSW, like 2.1 D05 (or even 2.1 09c if the low power won’t bother you).

Well those are my priorities ( drives and blocks). So what should be an upgrade for my BTY Korbel japan considering i dont want any Carbon .

From your videos (if they are representative) it looks and sounds (the bh rubber clicks) like you're playing mostly topspins on your backhand, rather than flat drives. Off-the-bounce counter topspins, short stroke, but certainly topspins. On your forehand you play kinda the same thing: off-the-bounce counter topspins. The opening in the last video looks like a completely normal topspin.
​​​​So, probably the flexibility of lsw zlf will only help you. If you think of how Liu Shiwen plays herself, doesn't her game resemble yours a little? ((:

​​​​​​But if you really play blocks and flat drives, then of course I'd have to agree with the others in that lsw is too flexible for that.

Originally Posted by longrange

From your videos (if they are representative) it looks and sounds (the bh rubber clicks) like you're playing mostly topspins on your backhand, rather than flat drives. Off-the-bounce counter topspins, short stroke, but certainly topspins. On your forehand you play kinda the same thing: off-the-bounce counter topspins. The opening in the last video looks like a completely normal topspin.
​​​​So, probably the flexibility of lsw zlf will only help you. If you think of how Liu Shiwen plays herself, doesn't her game resemble yours a little? ((:

​​​​​​But if you really play blocks and flat drives, then of course I'd have to agree with the others in that lsw is too flexible for that.

Yeah you completely described my game, I play off the bounce short topspins but still with a lot of spin. Also i play fast counter topspins. I may have badly undesrtand word drive. I thought that drive is synonym to counter topspin close to the table. And talking bout LSW that is why i firstly bought that blade to play those short spins off the bounce.

Ok so you're currently using a 45° sponge on the backhand and indeed it's a bit soft for your style of agressive blocking game, specially on a Korbel. I'm also a blocker, but more on the spin side with heavy loops on both wings.

Composite non-carbon blade is a wise decision for blocking style, there's also the new Donic with flax cloth blades that will come soon that would probably suits that style. The Classic Power Allround is already faster than the Korbel, but the Classic Offensive could be an option too as it is stiffer.

For the backhand rubber, as you're in the Jia Nan Yuan style I would suggest a T05 too, but the Stiga DNA rubbers are also awesome for blocks too, DNA PRO M or PRO Hard, for the new Platinum series I would not go harder than the Platinum M. The T05 can generate high arcs though, the Stiga DNA rubbers are more controlable in that area of the game: they react according the balde you choose: with a stiffer blade they'll generate a lower arc, more than the T05 that is bouncy with high arc with whatever blade you choose.
https://www.donic.com/donic/en/blade...july-2022?c=43

https://www.donic.com/donic/en/blade...able-july-2022

Originally Posted by OldUser

Ok so you're currently using a 45° sponge on the backhand and indeed it's a bit soft for your style of agressive blocking game, specially on a Korbel. I'm also a blocker, but more on the spin side with heavy loops on both wings.

Composite non-carbon blade is a wise decision for blocking style, there's also the new Donic with flax cloth blades that will come soon that would probably suits that style. The Classic Power Allround is already faster than the Korbel, but the Classic Offensive could be an option too as it is stiffer.

For the backhand rubber, as you're in the Jia Nan Yuan style I would suggest a T05 too, but the Stiga DNA rubbers are also awesome for blocks too, DNA PRO M or PRO Hard, for the new Platinum series I would not go harder than the Platinum M. The T05 can generate high arcs though, the Stiga DNA rubbers are more controlable in that area of the game: they react according the balde you choose: with a stiffer blade they'll generate a lower arc, more than the T05 that is bouncy with high arc with whatever blade you choose.
https://www.donic.com/donic/en/blade...july-2022?c=43

https://www.donic.com/donic/en/blade...able-july-2022

Wow awesome😁thanks for suggestions. I have not heard about her yet but I love her style. That is exactly the way i would like to play.

Originally Posted by tomulus

Yeah you completely described my game, I play off the bounce short topspins but still with a lot of spin. Also i play fast counter topspins. I may have badly undesrtand word drive. I thought that drive is synonym to counter topspin close to the table. And talking bout LSW that is why i firstly bought that blade to play those short spins off the bounce.

Then I guess t05 is going to be good for you. I would just take 1.9mm for the BH. I myself play with t05fx and enjoy it a lot. And I really did feel the difference in "control" for 1.9 vs 2.1: some of the blocks, which should've gone out, land on table, it's easier to engage the rubber, etc.

Originally Posted by tomulus

Wow awesome😁thanks for suggestions. I have not heard about her yet but I love her style. That is exactly the way i would like to play.

Yeah I know it's a pity nobody mention her here and there, as the WTT does not give her much credit: they scheduled her on a "low table" when she won against Mima Ito at the Singapore Smash, does not help to get fame...

R48 and T05 are similarly priced,
T05 is meant to be more durable.
I’ve used both, T05 for testing rather than match play. R48 is a great rubber, my personal preference was R48 over T05, my level is not as high as yours by the way!!
Some other players I know have tried R48 and were surprised how good it was, but not good enough to make them change their T05 for R48!! However they said they could easily play with R48 and not feel they had ‘downgraded’
both rubbers are good for blocking and flatter hits, I found R48 felt softer and easier to loop with.
R48 Maybe slightly less catapult effect than T05

If money isn’t an issue, buy a sheet of each!!

Originally Posted by IB66

R48 and T05 are similarly priced,
T05 is meant to be more durable.
I’ve used both, T05 for testing rather than match play. R48 is a great rubber, my personal preference was R48 over T05, my level is not as high as yours by the way!!
Some other players I know have tried R48 and were surprised how good it was, but not good enough to make them change their T05 for R48!! However they said they could easily play with R48 and not feel they had ‘downgraded’
both rubbers are good for blocking and flatter hits, I found R48 felt softer and easier to loop with.
R48 Maybe slightly less catapult effect than T05

If money isn’t an issue, buy a sheet of each!!

I would definitely disagree with the assertion that R48 and Tenergy T05 are similarly priced. In the US, R48 is around $50 and Tenergy T05 is around $80.

Originally Posted by AndyK

I would definitely disagree with the assertion that R48 and Tenergy T05 are similarly priced. In the US, R48 is around $50 and Tenergy T05 is around $80.

Tees Sport in the UK (official UK Butterfly retailer) both rubbers retail for £59.99. = $75.02 = €69.98
Custom Table Tennis have R48 discounted in a sale from £59.99 down to £49.99 = $62.46 = €58.25
TT11 R48 retails for €52.46 = £44.95 = $56.28, unfortunately TT11 don’t stock Butterfly rubbers.
Butterfly EU store quote T05 at €59.90 = £51.37 = $64.21
USA Price of T05 of $79.99 = £63.99 = €74.63
R48 price of around $50 = £40 = €46.64

Looks like USA gets a pretty good deal / price for Andro and slightly worse deal / price for Butterfly.

Depends on where you are in the world, but in the UK T05 and R48 are (generally) the same price.

Originally Posted by IB66

Tees Sport in the UK (official UK Butterfly retailer) both rubbers retail for £59.99. = $75.02 = €69.98
Custom Table Tennis have R48 discounted in a sale from £59.99 down to £49.99 = $62.46 = €58.25
TT11 R48 retails for €52.46 = £44.95 = $56.28, unfortunately TT11 don’t stock Butterfly rubbers.
Butterfly EU store quote T05 at €59.90 = £51.37 = $64.21
USA Price of T05 of $79.99 = £63.99 = €74.63
R48 price of around $50 = £40 = €46.64

Looks like USA gets a pretty good deal / price for Andro and slightly worse deal / price for Butterfly.

Depends on where you are in the world, but in the UK T05 and R48 are (generally) the same price.

Yes, it looks like you're getting a good deal on Tenergy in Europe relative to the US.