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    #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Der_Echte
    I did 30 yrs of military training, I would say that is easily just a little excessive, so I would say 1-2 years would be a healthy amount for anyone in any society. Military training and military life can be full of bullshyt, but it can also lead to individuals working as a team and having discipline... that translates well into real life.

    China has mandatory military training, even for under age kids. It is a week long every year and I actually don't have the full info.
    This is separate to military service that you are referring to.

    Maybe PBP can explain more around who goes, and how often (is it yearly etc),

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis

    In theory, the gap is just so small and we can all become pros tomorrow if we can swing the bat faster, isn't it?


    Faster but under control. Consistency is the key.

    But we tend to forget, the ball will come back faster
    Yes, but that assumes the faster ball that you hit will be returned.


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    and your "high rotation" will also come back higher too.
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    That is good because then you can make a more direct shot.

    Until, you are in that level, I actually don't feel it is necessary to even talk about high rotation of the ball.
    What level? Responding to balls that come back quick is a matter of reflexes. Balls that come back high are normally easy to attack.


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    Normally, coaches ask for consistency.
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    This is something we can agree on.


    If you can't hit 20 or 30 shots on, what is the use of 1 high "PRO" level shot, but you get 1 out of 3 on?
    Agreed

    or the ball comes back, and your chance of getting the ball on drops another 10~90%?
    Not quite right.

    Table tennis cannot be compared to a pitcher or a golfer, who can just swing the club/arm and generate everything from a stand still.
    You can if you are comparing hand speed. Softball pitchers don't simply swing their arms. There is a "windup" and a lot of body motion. Golfers may not move their feet but the weight transfer is important.

    I mean, if you can't even move body correctly, or step correctly to generate the right body weight to life the ball up, talking about swinging the bat properly, is like trying to run before you can even craw.
    It is always good to be in right position to hit the TT ball but really, it doesn't take as much effort to hit the ball as it does to get into position. Body weight is not that important because the weight of even small girls is MUCH more than the weight ( mass ) of a TT ball. It is paddle speed, how much you brush the ball ( getting the right spin to speed ratio ) and consistency that count. I can hit the ball fast enough with a flick of my wrist. Moving the ball is nothing. Moving me is something else.

    When I coached non system trained players, I find it that they all want to swing harder and faster - this is very normal.
    I need to undo they minds and tell them this:
    1) if you can't get your feet there, you can't get your body there
    2) if you can't get your body there, you can't get your arm there
    3) if you can't get the above there, you are in no position to execute that stroke correctly
    4) if you can't execute that stroke properly, you have little to no control over that stroke
    5) and then you ask, why the ball some times goes in, and some times it doesn't.
    Being able to swing faster is good as long as you can do it consistently. The trick is knowing how to hit the ball to get the right spin to speed ratio that is optimal for that situation.

    One of our top high level players coming in (for grade 10), has a very good forehand.
    She moves well, but she is too parallel to the ball (her legs) and she rallies too much on her arm. So in high power rallies, she is always on the loosing side when she needs to make more than 3 hits.
    What is a high power rally? High power rallies are only needed when back from the table. She can get more than enough power just twisting her body with her legs and waist. The ball mass is so small compared to even a little girl. Again, it is speed, consistency and knowing how much to brush the ball to get the right spin to speed ratio that is important.

    In training mode, she can get there in time (despite the wrong foot position), but in open play and her fundamental flaws shows.
    This is how pro players weaknesses get exposed and how opposition teams work out game plans.
    I can see that. Real play is much different from training mode. In real play the opponent does the unexpected. I don't think much of videos where people are just hitting the ball back and forth in a predictable way. When I was taking lessons from my third coach I told him to be random. We might concentrate on a particular problem but he was to do something random at least 1/10 times to catch me off guard. I called this the random drill. It simulated reality much better than a normal drill.

    We saw this issue, and will need to change her over time. And obviously the player at first won't understand the problem - since she is on the higher part of the average in terms of results, and has done well in the 8 years prior (she used that power to over power her opponents), but the older you get, the bigger your fundamental flaws you have, the easier it will be exposed to when the rallies become faster and spinner.
    A good coach should know how to get the most out of what you have. This is very important in American Football. If your female player likes playing close to the table then speed, reflexes, consistency and know how to setup a wining combo will win.

    So if I am the opposition coach, I would say, don't even attack her, let her attack you and just block 5 to 10 balls on and she will eventually be late on her shot and hit the ball off.
    That is what my first coach said about me. He would let me defeat myself. This is where the mental part of TT comes in. It is like watch Oliver Mader AKA "pushblocker" play. It is purely a mental gam.

    Other than her flaws in movement, her arm only action will also lead to injuries.
    So the head coach on the 1st week actually told her - don't hit so hard, reduce your power,
    This is what I don't understand. You can only hit the ball so hard and still land the ball on the table. Unless you have a line of sight shot the ball must drop due to gravity or the Magnus effect.

    So yeah, I think this apply to all.
    You can't just hit harder or swing the bat faster.
    I agree but hitting the ball harder is MUCH different than swinging the paddle faster. A faster paddle will put MORE energy into the ball in either velocity or spin. This can't be refuted. The only downside is being able to swing faster and still have consistency.

    In theory, you also need to beware of injuries too!

    Injuries due to wear and tear will happen if you need to accelerate quickly. Longer strokes don;t need the same acceleration as shorter strokes. Using your body to provide more acceleration will also distribute some of the wear and tear around your body. I understand because sometimes my shoulder get a little sore but I am 69.

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    #63
    Quote Originally Posted by brokenball
    I just looked at your second video. It is better. It would be better to see some playing for point rather than just hitting the ball back and forth.
    Can you make good strokes under time pressure? Obviously no one can all the time but that is what makes the game challenging. Also, listen to sound of the impact of the ball on the paddle. You are still hitting through the ball instead of brushing, pulling, the ball. As you brush the ball more and more the sound of impact goes down because the ball is hitting the paddle to more of an angle. When you make a very good brush the sound will be just that of the ball and rubber. That is hard to do consistently because it is easy to miss the ball. Another metric that lets you know if you are doing it right is that the ball will skip out low and fast at your opponent. When you do it very right the ball will dive out low below your opponent's paddle as he swings and misses due to misjudging the Magnus effect. Another indication you are looping well is that the opponent's return will go high because of the extra top spin.
    Brokenball,
    glad to see you back in town.

    So this second video
    You talking about the player in orange right?
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    You need more multiball training to improve the basic backhand and forehand skills. Don´t worry, practice makes perfect!


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    Quote Originally Posted by PingBirdPong
    Here’s a recent video I managed to get onto YouTube. I am playing terribly these days. The small court in the video stops me from opening up, so I’m too passive. And my technique is way off. Even though I was able to do it with 90% success a few months ago, I completely fail to lift backspin now and can’t figure out how to fix it. I feel like I’m no longer in control of my body.
    FYI: The video is two sets against a school team member of my old school (trained for 7 years)

    Hi Bird, you loop across your body, instead of forward and in front of your eyes. Another thing is to try to be light on your feet. You lean back too much on open ups as well. Your serve motion is also too loose and try making your toss lower as you'll make less mistakes and its easier to control the height and length

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