Is Hurricane 3 actually the "spinniest" rubber or is it just misperception?

DukeGaGa said:

Generating spin on an object is just applying force not going through the CG,

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so there are two things that matters: how big the force is, and how long the force is applied to the object.

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I've only played with the commercial version of H3 Neo, so my observations may not apply to other versions (ie. Provincial, National, boosted non-Neo, etc.). So, with that limitation in mind, my observations are that H3 Neo produces more spin than anything else IF you beat the living daylights out of the shot!

In other words, if you're able to connect your shots at elite-level swing-speed with elite-level technique, then I don't think anything else matches H3.

However, for everyone else, I think you can - on average - probably get at least as much spin out of any of the modern hybrids and most of the top modern tensors.

What do I mean by "on average?" I mean you'll get higher spin across a greater range of your shots: the good, the bad, and the ugly ones. You may still get higher spin out of H3 from time-to-time (ie. on your very best-executed shots). But, "on average" I think other rubbers will serve many players better.

brokenball said:

Zeio used the term eccentric. This is a good term that describes what you just said more succinctly.



YES! Force x time is an impulse. Since force varies over the contact time is it better to say the integral or sum of force over time.

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Man, I really don't want to review my calculus lol. It was fun getting all A+ in college but since I don't use them on a daily basis I can barely remember how to work on those now 😂

sidofmillenium said:

yeah, I have noticed that they give more spin in pushes as well...but the thing is, we never hit as hard w/ euro rubbers b/c we'll miss....so they r never same stroke...therefore, comparison through experience is not possible....we'll have to take scientific approach...

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A heavy ball is the right combination of spin and speed.

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The same idea applies to DHS. Hurricane is the industry standard in tacky rubber. What's so special about it, despite being decades old now?

One aspect of H3 that is often overlooked in the West is the keyword "贼". The closest English equivalent I can think of is tricky, or 癖/quirky as described by Table Tennis Kingdom...

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Scenario 1. Grippy rubber is better for returning spin.
Scenario 2. Tacky rubber is better for generating spin once the force gets past a certain threshold. Put another way, tacky rubber has higher spin potential. If a player does not hit hard enough, tacky rubber will spin less than grippy rubber.

Scenario 1 is demonstrated in many studies where a robot shoots a topspin ball at a stationary racket, simulating the block stroke in real play. However, that does not carry over to Scenario 2 because a ball carries much less momentum than a racket does in real play...

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Then again, as I pointed out in my first post, the angular momentum of a spinning ball is just much lower than a swinging racket to overcome the tack and harder sponge, it's only natural for the CoF of tacky rubbers to be lower in that scenario. We need an experiment that tests with a swinging racket.

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Sumitomo, the manufacturer behind the Mizuno Q series, has published experimental data on both inverted(tacky and grippy) and shortpips rubbers made with different formulas with a swinging racket. All topsheets were paired with the same sponge at 50° Asker C on a Senkoh Super 95 S, and swung at a stationary ball at 14m/s with a 60° racket angle. The friction force was measured by pulling 3 table tennis balls with a total load of 20N at 300mm/min on a rubber faced up horizontally. The data show that:
1. Despite the highest CoF, tacky topsheets made with different types of tackifier produced less spin than a grippy topsheet with a lower CoF made with practically the same formula.
2. With slightly different formulae, grippy topsheets with a substantially lower CoF could produce more spin than grippy topsheets with a higher CoF.
3. With slightly different formulae, shortpips with a substantially lower CoF could produce comparable spin as grippy topsheets with a higher CoF.

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Kuba Hajto said:

Welp. I think that saying that H3 is spinniest is a bit missleading. Looping away from table and serves, totally. I cannot generate same spin and power near the table though. Not enough fitness I guess.

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