good example, with 1 exception, a beginner driver in a f1 would never even get out of the paddock 😂
Finally I got something right, I use Chinese rubbers 😂
Just remember that they do make them sticky and tacky but you still have to make them spin yourself 🤣🤣🤣
As always, far more information is needed from all posters before anything close to a genuine answer is possible.
@alfort, I have no idea of your level, playing style or technique.
I can understand what you are saying about Tenergy if you really are on the lower/very low level of ability.
If your shots are slow, technique poor and you’ve never really been shown what to do, Tenergy is a recipe for disaster.
But if you can hit a fairly average topspin shot, Tenergy will give you a lot of access to spin and speed. It will still be far too fast for most players, but there will be plenty of spin if you can come close to controlling it.
The general consensus has always been…..
Yes, a Viscaria and Tenergy are far too fast for a beginner.
If you have a coach who doesn’t tell you otherwise, you may be fine.
But I’d guess that it would only be OK if you were having a lot of coaching (4 hours plus per week), and then playing with it another 4 hours at least.
If you don’t have developed shots, it will make it VERY hard to learn with (with no coaching). I imagine there will be more frustration than anything, as you won’t have learnt the touch required to use it, so your shots will often be too fast, too uncontrolled with no touch.
Every now and then you’ll inevitably play an absolutely cracking shot - The sort of shot that wouldn’t be possible with slow rubbers and a slower blade. But don’t let the illusion fool you!
Here would be my recommendation based on different scenarios.
1. Beginner with Coach.
Use whatever they recommend (assuming you know the coach has a good reputation).
If they don’t recommend anything. A simple 5 ply wooden blade paired with slow to mid level speed rubbers would be fine (so many to choose from, ask if you need advice here).
The Viscaria and T05 can be used if the coach is confident they can train you whilst you are learning with it.
As others have said, some countries give the juniors very fast blades and rubbers, but their coaching is designed to utilise that.
As an example, in the UK, I don’t know many coaches who would be great when coaching a junior (or someone who doesn’t have developed shots), with such a fast set up.
2. Beginner with no Coach.
A simple 5 ply wooden blade paired with slow to mid level speed rubbers would be fine (so many to choose from, ask if you need advice here).
All of that being said….. You have to enjoy the game to get better at it.
If using Tenergy and an ALC blade from Butterfly makes you feel good, and better than using other blades (regardless of your results), I’d personally use it.
No amount of coaching or playing will change that.
😂 I've not really read any of your other posts that I recall, and I'm not going to go looking for them.
I don't like to assume either.
Your comment about Tenergy made you seem like a very low level player - Which is absolutely fine, but obviously knowing that is helpful when discussing advice like this.
But there are lots of "low level" players, who all have different capabilities.
Some are older, have been playing a long time and are happy with their level (I see a huge number of these people in the lower divisions of local league).
Other lower level players (usually younger ones) are wanting to improve, have more aesthetically pleasing shots, and have the potential to get much better.
My advice would differ depending on which "lower level" player I was speaking to.
It’s hard to see if you are trolling, have just discovered the internet and forums, or you are intentionally trying to selective quote things to argue with….
But I’ll try and answer as much as possible for the benefit of the forum (apologies in advance, I’m on my phone so it’s going to be formatted badly…..).
The point about “aesthetic shots” was in the context of lower level players.
I generally find that young juniors who have been taught how to play (yet still considered a lower level player), look significantly better than older players who have been doing the same thing for 40 years at a lower level.
I also find that older player usually wins those match ups, so it wasn’t a point about which is better, but the style of the older player (usually a pushy/diggy style), with very little “traditional top spin”, is not a player I’d EVER recommend Tenergy to.
But that young player with nice topspin shots could conceivably use Tenergy in conjunction with good coaching (I’d still not recommend it, but it could be done).
As for the disagreeing about “having fun”, perhaps you’ve not been playing for very long, or live in a world without enjoyment…… But I can assure you, in the 20 years I’ve been playing, there are a lot of people who simply play for fun, don’t want to improve, and virtually turn up each week for a social night out with friends.
I appreciate you are new to the forum, and this sort of discussion has been done to death….. But one more time won’t hurt anyone!
You have highlighted 2 very big problems with table tennis forums.
1. The definition of different levels of ability is very hard to use in context like this.
My “beginner” level might be different to yours.
Likewise, what is an “advanced” player?
The good folk in the US have their rating system, but in the UK we have nothing to really gauge against other countries.
It just makes it very difficult to have a conversation along the same lines, and we could very easily end up arguing the same point, and not realising it.
2. Posting advice and opinion without showing your ability.
This is always controversial, but from a personal POV, if I see someone posting advice or opinion, whilst showing a relatively misinformed view of the sport, I quickly ignore it, or see if that person can offer more information to back up their point.
Putting it simply, if someone does not have the ability to use Tenergy (for example), should they really be giving advice on it?
The best thread this forum has had is the video one.
Seeing people’s ability adds so much more context to discussions, and makes everyone better in my opinion.
Lower level players are less likely to talk rubbish, and people can read advice from others knowing where it comes from.
It doesn’t exclude people who haven’t posted video, but I’ve certainly found that since it’s been in existence, the advice and comments from everyone has generally been on a better level.
Anyway, to round it off (as I’m sure you and everyone else is very bored of my post), my initial answer wasn’t really aimed at you, it was trying to answer the OP’s question whilst talking into account what had already been said.
Ha ha, there is actually a thread exactly like this "requirements fora poster to be accepted as qualified to post comments"
tbh i left the game cause of a similar combo, gonna go back now and start something different, i start with 2 tenergy 64 and really fast blade form butterfly (didnt know what i was doing at that time) and i dont remember keep a ball on the table
however i know people that start with same combo and still enjoying the game and doing great
Yes, everybody progress with training.
